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Ben Doak

silvertop said:
Who knows that's what these message boards are about.

Let's generate a few pointless pages guessing.

I reckon he is being sidelined for health reasons.

No evidence. Just made up.

However I am right.
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I reckon he's taking his library books back or he had a red hot curry last night and is ensconced in the man trap.
Suppose he could be injured too.
 
eritheagle said:
Benteke only played for a few months under Pardew and he did score ok from memory. Then Big Sam came in. It was after Roy took over that Benteke really struggled but did have a good half a season under him in Covid empty stadiums.
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you're right I got the time order wrong, but wasn't Benteke playing under Pardew when Shearer absolutely slated him for his performance at home to Spurs? But maybe it's Roy I should be blaming more than Pards. Big Sam came in around Christmas so Benteke only had about four months under Pardew - 15 League goals that season, I don't know how many were under each manager and I'm not going to find out. Looks like where going for Esse rather than Doak to stay on topic, and I hope we get the Djouf left wing back, then it's job done unless Chelsea f*ck us up.
 
ex hibitionist said:
you're right I got the time order wrong, but wasn't Benteke playing under Pardew when Shearer absolutely slated him for his performance at home to Spurs? But maybe it's Roy I should be blaming more than Pards. Big Sam came in around Christmas so Benteke only had about four months under Pardew - 15 League goals that season, I don't know how many were under each manager and I'm not going to find out. Looks like where going for Esse rather than Doak to stay on topic, and I hope we get the Djouf left wing back, then it's job done unless Chelsea f*ck us up.
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That was season 2016-17 when he scored 15 PL goals.
He scored 9 under Pardew and 6 under Allardyce.
 
Willo said:
That was season 2016-17 when he scored 15 PL goals.
He scored 9 under Pardew and 6 under Allardyce.
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thank you kind sir, I may owe Mr Pardew an apology - a small slice of humble pie may be in order, a delicacy which leaves a somewhat bitter taste for some of us. 😉
 
BromleyMonkey said:
But Liverpool are in a much higher spending bracket than us, so good young players have no chance there these days, where as with us……..
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I don't see it like that. They have kept Conor Bradley: they've developed several. The cast offs are not as good as they make out. For example: Doak - injured quite a bit, was ok in the Championship - not outstanding. Not even Esse like stats, let alone Olise or Eze. Actually not the stats of Rak-Sakyi.
Elliot - scores at U21s. Everywhere else, some flashes, some injuries. Probably is pretty good, but totally one footed, not that strong. Has never previously had much end product. Hasn't played anywhere near enough to gauge what a season would be like.
I'd take either on loan but I wouldn't swap our most important player for either of them. There's always a premium on Liverpool players that we need to stop paying. We really need to stop believing the hype.
The U21S goals mean very little as well. There have been loads great at U21s but average in the league later on - petering out to very little in the end.
 
ASCPFC said:
I don't see it like that. They have kept Conor Bradley: they've developed several. The cast offs are not as good as they make out. For example: Doak - injured quite a bit, was ok in the Championship - not outstanding. Not even Esse like stats, let alone Olise or Eze. Actually not the stats of Rak-Sakyi.
Elliot - scores at U21s. Everywhere else, some flashes, some injuries. Probably is pretty good, but totally one footed, not that strong. Has never previously had much end product. Hasn't played anywhere near enough to gauge what a season would be like.
I'd take either on loan but I wouldn't swap our most important player for either of them. There's always a premium on Liverpool players that we need to stop paying. We really need to stop believing the hype.
The U21S goals mean very little as well. There have been loads great at U21s but average in the league later on - petering out to very little in the end.
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Whilst I largely agree with you, I would say that if we genuinely went in for Doak in January, are we still interested in him or was Esse second choice) If we are still interested then a deal plus the right amount of cash for Guehi isn't a bad option given that it's increasingly likely that Eze will be going in this window. It then only remains for us to get Diomande over the line before focussing on strengthening the squad for whatever the new season might bring.
 
ASCPFC said:
I don't see it like that. They have kept Conor Bradley: they've developed several. The cast offs are not as good as they make out. For example: Doak - injured quite a bit, was ok in the Championship - not outstanding. Not even Esse like stats, let alone Olise or Eze. Actually not the stats of Rak-Sakyi.
Elliot - scores at U21s. Everywhere else, some flashes, some injuries. Probably is pretty good, but totally one footed, not that strong. Has never previously had much end product. Hasn't played anywhere near enough to gauge what a season would be like.
I'd take either on loan but I wouldn't swap our most important player for either of them. There's always a premium on Liverpool players that we need to stop paying. We really need to stop believing the hype.
The U21S goals mean very little as well. There have been loads great at U21s but average in the league later on - petering out to very little in the end.
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Elliott always looks lively when I’ve seen him play, if we’re going to lose Guehi to the scousers I’d happily take a punt on him as a make weight in the deal.
Doak yes I’ll give you that, not so sure
Olise and Eze had a fair bit of time out with injury for us and look how they turned out, so I won’t be worrying too much about injuries, it’s part of the game, as long as they perform when they are fit and they’re not another Nathan Ferguson or Connor Wickham😳
 
BromleyMonkey said:
Elliott always looks lively when I’ve seen him play, if we’re going to lose Guehi to the scousers I’d happily take a punt on him as a make weight in the deal.
Doak yes I’ll give you that, not so sure
Olise and Eze had a fair bit of time out with injury for us and look how they turned out, so I won’t be worrying too much about injuries, it’s part of the game, as long as they perform when they are fit and they’re not another Nathan Ferguson or Connor Wickham😳
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Who is Nathan Ferguson?
 
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