Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

[Spiderman]

Actually, I suspected it started when we bought Riihilhati - they've been keeping an eye on us since then.....👀

I see what you did there

 

[Badger11]

I am a suspicious sod, especially of football authorities. So on Friday Lyon one of the biggest clubs in France gets a free pass from UEFA and Palace are told they will have to wait until Monday for a decision.

Why do I get the feeling that we are going to be stitched up.

 

[silvertop]

I am a suspicious sod, especially of football authorities. So on Friday Lyon one of the biggest clubs in France gets a free pass from UEFA and Palace are told they will have to wait until Monday for a decision.

Why do I get the feeling that we are going to be stitched up.

I feel the same.

All this is connected to a choice between clubs based on league position. We finished 12th. They "finished"... Ligue Deux.

However, given Lyons stronger connection with EUFA I smell a fudge. Either the French authorities will overturn the relegation or, even worse, EUFA will say it was the position on the last day irrespective of the relegation (based on improper conduct)

 

[The Dolphin]

I don't understand why Notts Forest expect to be competing in the Europa league, at our expense, when Marinakis put his Forest shares into a blind trust on the 30 April.

And allegedly has taken his shares back out of the Trust now.
If so, they can't take our place anyway.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

UEFA can still do what they want,...to cover their ar5e5. The rules are that vague, everything is on the table.

UEFAs priority with their decision is to limit the possibility of legal action against them. And that's it.

The have been shown to be inept

 

[Gary St.Andrews]

History was always, win the FA Cup your in the Cup Winners Cup no matter what! With the Europa Cup, it’s who ever shouts the loudest and who has got the biggest bollocks to qualify.

UEFA are as bent as a corkscrew!

 

[Gary St.Andrews]

And allegedly has taken his shares back out of the Trust now.
If so, they can't take our place anyway.

Forest should be kicked out of Europe for this shenanigans alone!

 

[NEILLO]

And allegedly has taken his shares back out of the Trust now.
If so, they can't take our place anyway.

Yes they can.

Forest owner put his shares into a Blind Trust as he thought at that time they could qualify for the Champions League alongside his other club, Olympiakos.

As it turned out Forest didn’t get into the CL anyway - hence he took his shares out of the trust.

 

[NEILLO]

I am a suspicious sod, especially of football authorities. So on Friday Lyon one of the biggest clubs in France gets a free pass from UEFA and Palace are told they will have to wait until Monday for a decision.

Why do I get the feeling that we are going to be stitched up.

I see the big issue with this is how clubs qualify for the Europa League. If it’s via a cup win , as I’ve said before, these are traditionally played late in the season with no opportunity for clubs with multi club ownership ( or suspected ! ) to make themselves compliant. Potentially this is one of the things UEFA are trying to get their legal heads around.

By comparison, while it stinks, the Lyon situation is easier for them to arrive at a decision

 

[NEILLO]

If we do get kicked out, which still remains 50/50 as UEFA have a history of making stupid decisions. Who takes the blame for the loss to Palace. Parish or Textor? Parish is in overall control and Textor had no control or influence.
Parish should of been basking in the glory of a FA Cup win and planning for Europe. Now we are left with the usual Palace drama.

I don't see how either are to blame.

Why does there always have to be a scapegoat when things go wrong ?

 

[silvertop]

I feel the same.

All this is connected to a choice between clubs based on league position. We finished 12th. They "finished"... Ligue Deux.

However, given Lyons stronger connection with EUFA I smell a fudge. Either the French authorities will overturn the relegation or, even worse, EUFA will say it was the position on the last day irrespective of the relegation (based on improper conduct)

As a postcscript if the delay is wholly down to Lyons appeal that is not dodgy it's sensible.

 

[thegreatlardino]

Or maybe legal confirmation that textor has sold his share to the other american bloke whose name i cant recall.

To be honest am so bored of this I dont care if we are in the Europa League or not.

 

[Jason Smith]

The only issue that CFCB can adjudicate on is that the Palace directors were given ample warning of MCO regulations well before the March 1st deadline; and they chose to interpret the rules without seeking proper legal advice from the European Club Association (ECA). This is significant, as Palace are one of the few PL clubs that are not members of the ECA: the only organisation that has the authority to represent football clubs in Europe, and has a comprehensive range of legal services at its disposal. This does not bode well for Palace, especially in light of the fact that its chairman, Nasser bin Ghanim Al-Khelaifi, has a particular dislike for John Textor's big money ego. I should add Al-Khelaifi is also one of two ECA representatives on UEFA's Executive Committee. This lack of incorporation leaves Palace particularly vulnerable, especially Parish and Harris, who could not seek any legal advice from the ECA regarding this matter. I should add that both Brøndby and Lyon are full members, which means that the ECA's legal services are available both to Blitzer and Textor. As the ECA aptly puts it: "Football is a social contract, not a legal contract." When the CFCB give their verdict, they cannot take into consideration any subsequent developments either; and if they do it would be a political decision not a legal one. After their initial meeting, the CFCB have already decided that they need to take disciplinary measures against Palace, primarily because John Textor chose not to seek any legal advice from the ECA, and take appropriate action, which would have been reasonable for him to do so. Hence Al-Khelaifi accusing Textor: "You don't know what you're doing. You're just a cowboy, John." And it is because of John Textor's unreasonable behaviour that Palace now face the real possibility of being disqualified from the Europa League. The subsequent delays are because UEFA know they are now sitting on top of a volcano that is about to erupt because of their inexplicable rule change for compliance from the 3rd June to the 1st March, which was always going to catch out a club like Palace. There are, however, three consolations: Forest cannot qualify for the Europa League, either, because they also missed the deadline by two months; but the downside is Brighton would qualify for the Europa League and Bournemouth would qualify for the Conference League (the only other established PL club that is not a member of the ECA). The second consolation is that Glasner is happier working with a smaller squad, which means that it would be extremely risky for Palace to be competing in Europe, anyway. The third consolation, and undoubtedly the biggest, is that Palace will emerge as a much stronger club because of this injustice.

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

Or maybe legal confirmation that textor has sold his share to the other american bloke whose name i cant recall.

To be honest am so bored of this I dont care if we are in the Europa League or not.

Yes , i know how you feel , i feel as though our plans for next season have been put on hold until it is sorted . Glasner doesn't know if we need a team to compete in Europe or one to staay in the Premier League , Players will be more inclined to stay than move on if we are playing at a higher level and it would be a more attractive club to come to . Meanwhile business is being done and we are standing still and in Steve's own words , stand still in this league and you are going backwards , has Glasner even signed an extension yet .

 

[ASCPFC]

Yes , i know how you feel , i feel as though our plans for next season have been put on hold until it is sorted . Glasner doesn't know if we need a team to compete in Europe or one to staay in the Premier League , Players will be more inclined to stay than move on if we are playing at a higher level and it would be a more attractive club to come to . Meanwhile business is being done and we are standing still and in Steve's own words , stand still in this league and you are going backwards , has Glasner even signed an extension yet .

Glasner has not signed yet. He's not showing any inclination to sign either.

 

[Spindle]

you think there is a conspiracy to knock us out?

The authorities have form. First preventing us from joining the top league in favour of other clubs, even after we invented football and created the FA Cup. In 91 they let that dirt Liverpool back in early at our expense. They also relegated us with 4 to go down instead of 3 a couple of times. Robbed us of the 2016 cup final by appointing a cheat. The list goes on and right now Woody Johnson chucked a spanner in the works and they are looking for another reason.

Filthy corrupt turds.

 

[ASCPFC]

The only issue that CFCB can adjudicate on is that the Palace directors were given ample warning of MCO regulations well before the March 1st deadline; and they chose to interpret the rules without seeking proper legal advice from the European Club Association (ECA). This is significant, as Palace are one of the few PL clubs that are not members of the ECA: the only organisation that has the authority to represent football clubs in Europe, and has a comprehensive range of legal services at its disposal. This does not bode well for Palace, especially in light of the fact that its chairman, Nasser bin Ghanim Al-Khelaifi, has a particular dislike for John Textor's big money ego. I should add Al-Khelaifi is also one of two ECA representatives on UEFA's Executive Committee. This lack of incorporation leaves Palace particularly vulnerable, especially Parish and Harris, who could not seek any legal advice from the ECA regarding this matter. I should add that both Brøndby and Lyon are full members, which means that the ECA's legal services are available both to Blitzer and Textor. As the ECA aptly puts it: "Football is a social contract, not a legal contract." When the CFCB give their verdict, they cannot take into consideration any subsequent developments either; and if they do it would be a political decision not a legal one. After their initial meeting, the CFCB have already decided that they need to take disciplinary measures against Palace, primarily because John Textor chose not to seek any legal advice from the ECA, and take appropriate action, which would have been reasonable for him to do so. Hence Al-Khelaifi accusing Textor: "You don't know what you're doing. You're just a cowboy, John." And it is because of John Textor's unreasonable behaviour that Palace now face the real possibility of being disqualified from the Europa League. The subsequent delays are because UEFA know they are now sitting on top of a volcano that is about to erupt because of their inexplicable rule change for compliance from the 3rd June to the 1st March, which was always going to catch out a club like Palace. There are, however, three consolations: Forest cannot qualify for the Europa League, either, because they also missed the deadline by two months; but the downside is Brighton would qualify for the Europa League and Bournemouth would qualify for the Conference League (the only other established PL club that is not a member of the ECA). The second consolation is that Glasner is happier working with a smaller squad, which means that it would be extremely risky for Palace to be competing in Europe, anyway. The third consolation, and undoubtedly the biggest, is that Palace will emerge as a much stronger club because of this injustice.

Just smacks of corruption. Al-Khalaifa - in charge of European clubs, the usual bull fans have to put up with. May as well put Graeme Souness in charge of the Afcon.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Glasner has not signed yet. He's not showing any inclination to sign either.

It does weaken any criticism he might have of commitment in terms of the board.

 

[NEILLO]

The only issue that CFCB can adjudicate on is that the Palace directors were given ample warning of MCO regulations well before the March 1st deadline; and they chose to interpret the rules without seeking proper legal advice from the European Club Association (ECA). This is significant, as Palace are one of the few PL clubs that are not members of the ECA: the only organisation that has the authority to represent football clubs in Europe, and has a comprehensive range of legal services at its disposal. This does not bode well for Palace, especially in light of the fact that its chairman, Nasser bin Ghanim Al-Khelaifi, has a particular dislike for John Textor's big money ego. I should add Al-Khelaifi is also one of two ECA representatives on UEFA's Executive Committee. This lack of incorporation leaves Palace particularly vulnerable, especially Parish and Harris, who could not seek any legal advice from the ECA regarding this matter. I should add that both Brøndby and Lyon are full members, which means that the ECA's legal services are available both to Blitzer and Textor. As the ECA aptly puts it: "Football is a social contract, not a legal contract." When the CFCB give their verdict, they cannot take into consideration any subsequent developments either; and if they do it would be a political decision not a legal one. After their initial meeting, the CFCB have already decided that they need to take disciplinary measures against Palace, primarily because John Textor chose not to seek any legal advice from the ECA, and take appropriate action, which would have been reasonable for him to do so. Hence Al-Khelaifi accusing Textor: "You don't know what you're doing. You're just a cowboy, John." And it is because of John Textor's unreasonable behaviour that Palace now face the real possibility of being disqualified from the Europa League. The subsequent delays are because UEFA know they are now sitting on top of a volcano that is about to erupt because of their inexplicable rule change for compliance from the 3rd June to the 1st March, which was always going to catch out a club like Palace. There are, however, three consolations: Forest cannot qualify for the Europa League, either, because they also missed the deadline by two months; but the downside is Brighton would qualify for the Europa League and Bournemouth would qualify for the Conference League (the only other established PL club that is not a member of the ECA). The second consolation is that Glasner is happier working with a smaller squad, which means that it would be extremely risky for Palace to be competing in Europe, anyway. The third consolation, and undoubtedly the biggest, is that Palace will emerge as a much stronger club because of this injustice.

Says who ?

There appears to be some contradictions in your post.

To rehash this yet again, do you think Palace could have taken remedial action to avoid this situation in February ? When we had only just got through to the FA Cup 5th round - game to be played on 1/3/25.

Why would they seek '' legal advice '' at that point. With 4 games to be played before possibly winning a cup for the first time in our history ?

Where is the evidence that the CFCB have decided to take disciplinary measures against Palace ? Unless I've missed something, no decision has been either made or announced as to whether Palace are in breach of the rules.

As for your statement regarding ECA and Textor, there was no obligation on his part to seek legal advice from the ECA. And what '' appropriate action '' would that be then ? And when would he have been expected to take it ??

And how on earth can Textor be deemed to be '' unreasonable " ??

The rule has become unfit for purpose thanks to the deadline change. And therein is the contradiction between the first highlighted paragraph and this one.

And you are wrong about Forest. They didn't miss the Blind Trust deadline. As long as the intent is registered by 1/3 and completed by end of April. I understand their owners letter to UEFA was seeking clarification about their position should Palace be excluded. And if that's the case, I don't think that's unreasonable to seek clarification.

And, trying hard to stay polite here, but there is no consolation in Palace not competing in the Europa League. That's just nonsense.

And '' emerging as a stronger club etc '' - well I don't know how you work that out either. The effect could well be an unsettled manager and players - I fail to see an upside.

 

[est1905]

Glasner has not signed yet. He's not showing any inclination to sign either.

Relax, he has a whole year left on his contract to sign another one. If he doesn't Palace have a whole year to find a replacement. I love Glasner and I hope he extends his contract (for as long as possible) but managers will always come and go. There will be no shortage of quality applicants in a years time if he chooses to move on.