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Eze to spurs?

Straightbackup said:
Yes, we got a lot more because of his new contract, but what they paid now seems like an absolute snip, would you not agree? If Ebs is worth what his release clause is set at, Olise is worth considerably more. And just to clarify, I meant Bayern had our pants down, not Michael
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This is reminiscent of an episode of Bargain Hunt circa 2013 where one of David Dickinson's dodgy mates from the antiques world is trying to justify taking someone's heir loom off them at undervalue so that "there is enough in it for me after auction fees etc to make it worthwhile".

I agree Bayern got a great deal. I also think we did as well as we reasonably could given how visible his talent was a year before he actually left.
 
Straightbackup said:
Yes, we got a lot more because of his new contract, but what they paid now seems like an absolute snip, would you not agree? If Ebs is worth what his release clause is set at, Olise is worth considerably more. And just to clarify, I meant Bayern had our pants down, not Michael
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Olise seemed to recognise what level he could reach early doors. Remember, we got him for a ridiculously low £8 million due to a release clause, so we can't complain too much. I wouldn't be surprised if he had some kind of clause in his Bayern contract, too.

The worst-case scenario with Eze could be if a big club moves for him but they refuse to meet his release clause, thereby unsettling him. Due to his style of play he needs to be fully focused or he can actually be a liability. Best case scenario is he shuns all suitors and commits fully to the Palace cause, leading us to victory in Europe.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
On average, he’s a poor player out of possession - he made 3 interceptions and 0 tackles in the final, which is above his averages for the season.
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Stats only tell half the story (if that ) They don't for instance record how many sideways passes City had to make because Eze was standing in the right place or that City didn't commit to an overload down their right because Eze would have been left alone to break had we gained possession . Eze can find space in a phone box and it frightens the life out of the opposition , even when he hasn't got the ball at his feet

There is more to the game that stats
 
Dogburger said:
Stats only tell half the story (if that ) They don't for instance record how many sideways passes City had to make because Eze was standing in the right place or that City didn't commit to an overload down their right because Eze would have been left alone to break had we gained possession . Eze can find space in a phone box and it frightens the life out of the opposition , even when he hasn't got the ball at his feet

There is more to the game that stats
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The old Bobby Charlton scenario. Germany had 3 players on him so he wasn't doing anything, they couldn't believe their luck when Alf took him off.
 
Eze, can be frightenly brilliant , but he does leave question marks over his general commitment. Right or wrong it works quite well for Palace , but at £68.5 million a lot of top coaches will think twice . Suits me.
 
Putitout said:
Eze, can be frightenly brilliant , but he does leave question marks over his general commitment. Right or wrong it works quite well for Palace , but at £68.5 million a lot of top coaches will think twice . Suits me.
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Absolutely. As long as they concentrate on his perceived flaws we can enjoy the positives. Personally I hope he never leaves because watching him is so enjoyable. Tactics & formations are one thing but watching him glide past defenders is just pure joy and that he seems to be such a good bloke only adds to it.
 
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BromleyMonkey said:
He’s not in the team for his tackling ability though, that’s Lerma and/or Hughes job
It’s a bit like saying Dean Henderson is a poor goalscorer🤣
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It’s not at all like that because obviously Dean Henderson is a goalkeeper…

Top level players are multi-faceted (I’ll specify outfield players if it’s really necessary) - you can no longer get away with just being good at parts of the game.
 
Dogburger said:
Stats only tell half the story (if that ) They don't for instance record how many sideways passes City had to make because Eze was standing in the right place or that City didn't commit to an overload down their right because Eze would have been left alone to break had we gained possession . Eze can find space in a phone box and it frightens the life out of the opposition , even when he hasn't got the ball at his feet

There is more to the game that stats.
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Forget stats if you want - Eze is shite out of possession. Anyone who’s watched us play regularly over the last two years would struggle to disagree with that.

A world class talent with the ball. Below average without.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Absolutely. As long as they concentrate on his perceived flaws we can enjoy the positives. Personally I hope he never leaves because watching him is so enjoyable. Tactics & formations are one thing but watching him glide past defenders is just pure joy and that he seems to be such a good bloke only adds to it.
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For what it’s worth I have no problem with this take - he’s a lovely bloke and on his day one of the best players in the league to watch.

My post was simply about why I don’t see one of the top clubs going for him.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
For what it’s worth I have no problem with this take - he’s a lovely bloke and on his day one of the best players in the league to watch.

My post was simply about why I don’t see one of the top clubs going for him.
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Hope you're right! Let's be honest - if he could play as he does and tackle like Souness we'd have kept him for about 20 minutes before the bids came in.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Forget stats if you want - Eze is shite out of possession. Anyone who’s watched us play regularly over the last two years would struggle to disagree with that.

A world class talent with the ball. Below average without.
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Though he has looked good for England in that respect: particularly in the game where he ended up at left back and against Senegal where his tackle led to the only goal. He wasn't too shabby in the FA Cup final either.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
It’s not at all like that because obviously Dean Henderson is a goalkeeper…

Top level players are multi-faceted (I’ll specify outfield players if it’s really necessary) - you can no longer get away with just being good at parts of the game.
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I know my example was extreme, but the point is players are in the team to do a certain job. Yes sometimes depending on who you’re playing, how a game is going, if you’re under the cosh, down to 10 men, holding on to a lead etc, players are asked to do something else. But Bayern didn’t sign Olise from us for his tackling ability, we didn’t sign LaCroix for his finishing in front of goal etc etc, so I just thought it was unfair to put stats up showing that Eze didn’t do a single tackle in a game.
Scored the biggest goal in our history, but let’s criticise him for not putting the tackles in??
 
BromleyMonkey said:
I know my example was extreme, but the point is players are in the team to do a certain job. Yes sometimes depending on who you’re playing, how a game is going, if you’re under the cosh, down to 10 men, holding on to a lead etc, players are asked to do something else. But Bayern didn’t sign Olise from us for his tackling ability, we didn’t sign LaCroix for his finishing in front of goal etc etc, so I just thought it was unfair to put stats up showing that Eze didn’t do a single tackle in a game.
Scored the biggest goal in our history, but let’s criticise him for not putting the tackles in??
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Of course players have different roles - surely that doesn’t even need saying.

Obviously Bayern didn’t sign Olise for his tackling, but they undeniably would’ve considered his defensive contributions, off the ball work rate, positional play etc. when they scouted him - are you trying to suggest they don’t?

Similarly, no we didn’t sign Lacroix for his shooting ability, but as well as scouting how good a defender he is, we would’ve also had a lot of consideration on his ability on the ball, passing quality, decision making etc.

The higher up the chain you go, the more rounded the players tend to be.

Its a discussion about where we think Eze may end up if he leaves - we can all just say Real Madrid because he scored a winner in a cup final if you want, but it would be a rather pointless discussion.

I don't get this weird sort of fanboying where we just pretend all of our players are perfect and immune from a discussion about their weaknesses - I love Eze, I think he's one of the most talented players we've ever had and he scored the biggest goal in our history. On top of that, he seems a thoroughly decent person - he's an absolute credit to the club...

But I don't think he's quite rounded enough to play for an elite club for the reasons highlighted... hopefully I can still consider myself a Palace fan!
 
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CPFCSaturn said:
Forget stats if you want - Eze is shite out of possession. Anyone who’s watched us play regularly over the last two years would struggle to disagree with that.

A world class talent with the ball. Below average without.
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I won't disagree with that, but I would say look at how much he has improved in that regard in the last 6 months. Much more pressing 'with intent'. never gonna be a tackler, but he nicks the odd ball now and then. mainly because he now puts himself in the position to.
 
CrazyBadger said:
I won't disagree with that, but I would say look at how much he has improved in that regard in the last 6 months. Much more pressing 'with intent'. never gonna be a tackler, but he nicks the odd ball now and then. mainly because he now puts himself in the position to.
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I do agree that he's improved - I daresay the penny has dropped that if he is to establish himself at a higher level, he needs to up his game without the ball.
 
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