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Israel v Iran

It is going to escalate.
Ukraine defends itself fights Putin after being invaded = warmongering.
Israel launches attack on Iran = "Excellent" says Trump.
What's the difference??
The only bright side is that if you have any shares in an oil company they will be going through the roof.
Downside, lets hope the crazy bastards don't nuke each other. Russia and Iran are very strong allies.
 
Penge Eagle said:
John Pierpont Morgan was not Israeli and not Jewish. Born in the US.

Marcus Goldman and Samuel Sachs were German-Jewish immigrants to the US and Israel did not exist then.

Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan Chase, is of Greek descent.

David Solomon, CEO of Goldman Sachs, is Jewish-American but not Israeli.

Both corporations are controlled by boards of directors and shareholders with different ethnicities and religious backgrounds. Conflating Jewish heritage with Israeli state control is an antisemitic trope.
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I obviously mean the people running these organizations NOW,not a century ago.I knpow the history of Wall Street and banking very well indeed. I will include people with Jewish heritage.Dimon's wife is you guess it -jewish Thanks for proving my point.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I read that just as you did.

They didn’t though request anyone to take military action to repair the breach.

Knowing Iran is a bad actor doesn’t mean you just punch them on the nose. That tends to make people lash out in anger. Often indiscriminately. There are more subtle ways of imposing your will.
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You do punch them on the nose eventually
 
kevlee said:
It is going to escalate.
Ukraine defends itself fights Putin after being invaded = warmongering.
Israel launches attack on Iran = "Excellent" says Trump.
What's the difference??
The only bright side is that if you have any shares in an oil company they will be going through the roof.
Downside, lets hope the crazy bastards don't nuke each other. Russia and Iran are very strong allies.
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Don't you know who sponsors and supports the groups engaged in war on Israel? Don't you know the Iranian policy on Israel? Don't you know that they're trying to acquire nukes?
 
beak said:
I obviously mean the people running these organizations NOW,not a century ago.I knpow the history of Wall Street and banking very well indeed. I will include people with Jewish heritage.Dimon's wife is you guess it -jewish Thanks for proving my point.
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Where is all the Arab oil money invested then?

Clear antisemitism
 
You see, I don't really think Israel's best way of dealing with Iran is by trying to destroy their enrichment program....because I highly doubt that's practically possible.

I think their most likely method would be overthrowing the regime....which I think is likely the real intent behind this.....How likely is that? It took years for Syria to fall mainly because Russia was supporting Assad. I guess we will find out.

Anyway the main reason I view it as unlikely that they can get at Iran's nuclear facility with missiles is from what Grok explains below......Does nukes change this picture? Don't know....Would that be sanctioned?

Gawd blimey.

Anyway here is the info on how protected Iran's nuclear set up is.

Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities, particularly at Natanz and Fordow, are built deep underground to protect against airstrikes. Here’s a detailed breakdown based on available information up to June 14, 2025:

Natanz Nuclear Facility
  • Depth: The underground Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP) at Natanz is reported to be approximately 40–50 meters below ground, protected by a 7.6-meter-thick concrete shield. However, a new underground enrichment hall under Kūh-e Kolang Gaz Lā (Pickaxe Mountain) near Natanz is under construction, estimated to be 80–100 meters deep, with some sources suggesting it could exceed 100 meters and be heavily fortified with concrete.

  • Missile Vulnerability: The existing FEP at Natanz (40–50 meters) was damaged by Israeli airstrikes in June 2025 ("Operation Rising Lion"), with the above-ground Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant (PFEP) reportedly destroyed. However, the deeper new facility (80–100+ meters) is likely beyond the reach of U.S. GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) bombs, which can penetrate up to 60 meters of earth or 8–12 meters of concrete. Experts note that even using two MOPs in succession may not destroy such a deep site.

  • Context: The new Natanz facility’s depth and fortification make it a significant challenge for conventional airstrikes, prompting concerns about Iran’s ability to protect its enrichment infrastructure. Posts on X highlight skepticism about U.S. and Israeli bombs reaching these depths.
Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant
  • Depth: Fordow, located near Qom, is buried 80–90 meters under a mountain, with some estimates suggesting up to 295 feet (90 meters) of rock and reinforced concrete protection. IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi has stated it is nearly 800 meters under the surface, though this may refer to the mountain’s peak rather than the facility’s exact depth.

  • Missile Vulnerability: Fordow is considered Iran’s most sheltered nuclear site, designed to be nearly impregnable to conventional airstrikes. The U.S. GBU-57 MOP is unlikely to penetrate Fordow’s depth, and Israel reportedly lacks bunker-busting bombs capable of reaching it. Experts suggest that only sabotage or targeting entryways and airshafts could disrupt operations, as airstrikes alone cannot destroy the facility. There are no confirmed reports of Fordow being hit in the June 2025 Israeli strikes, indicating its resilience.
  • Context: Fordow’s depth and strategic importance (enriching uranium to 60% with advanced IR-6 centrifuges) make it a focal point for concerns about Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Its fortification reflects Iran’s long-term strategy to harden nuclear sites against military threats.
General Missile and Bomb Limitations
  • U.S. Capabilities: The GBU-57 MOP, the U.S.’s most powerful conventional bunker-buster, can penetrate 60 meters of earth or 8–12 meters of concrete, but deeper facilities like Fordow and the new Natanz complex are likely beyond its reach. Posts on X emphasize that even U.S. B-2 bombers carrying MOPs may not suffice for Iran’s deepest sites.

  • Israeli Capabilities: Israel’s bunker-busting bombs are less advanced than the U.S. MOP, and sources indicate Israel lacks the capability to destroy Fordow or the new Natanz facility with airstrikes alone. The June 2025 strikes damaged Natanz’s above-ground and shallower underground facilities but likely spared deeper infrastructure.

  • Alternative Strategies: Experts suggest that targeting entry points, airshafts, or power supplies via sabotage or precision strikes could disrupt operations at deep facilities, as seen in past Israeli actions (e.g., Stuxnet cyberattack)
 
Iran has been a civilisation for thousands of years before Israel existed. And will be a civilisation for thousands of years after Israel ceases to exist.

Israel is screwed. It can throw everything it can muster, cajole the West into attacking Iran and generally make like hell for Iran and in the end, Iran wins.

And Israel know it.

Their actions are not the actions of a nation with any real power. Sure, I am convinced they use their diaspora to bribe and blackmail Western politicians, but that is always going to be fleeting. The most rudimentary and puerile expression of genuine statehood. The louder you are, the less sway you have. Basic rules of the game.
 
'Our victory is the future - a historical fact'

Dr.Shadid Bolsen - Middle Nation.

'The United States and Israel are 'the enemies of humanity'.


There is a flood of converts to Islam in the west.

😎
 
Stirlingsays said:
You see, I don't really think Israel's best way of dealing with Iran is by trying to destroy their enrichment program....because I highly doubt that's practically possible.

I think their most likely method would be overthrowing the regime....which I think is likely the real intent behind this.....How likely is that? It took years for Syria to fall mainly because Russia was supporting Assad. I guess we will find out.

Anyway the main reason I view it as unlikely that they can get at Iran's nuclear facility with missiles is from what Grok explains below......Does nukes change this picture? Don't know....Would that be sanctioned?

Gawd blimey.

Anyway here is the info on how protected Iran's nuclear set up is.

Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities, particularly at Natanz and Fordow, are built deep underground to protect against airstrikes. Here’s a detailed breakdown based on available information up to June 14, 2025:

Natanz Nuclear Facility
  • Depth: The underground Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP) at Natanz is reported to be approximately 40–50 meters below ground, protected by a 7.6-meter-thick concrete shield. However, a new underground enrichment hall under Kūh-e Kolang Gaz Lā (Pickaxe Mountain) near Natanz is under construction, estimated to be 80–100 meters deep, with some sources suggesting it could exceed 100 meters and be heavily fortified with concrete.

  • Missile Vulnerability: The existing FEP at Natanz (40–50 meters) was damaged by Israeli airstrikes in June 2025 ("Operation Rising Lion"), with the above-ground Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant (PFEP) reportedly destroyed. However, the deeper new facility (80–100+ meters) is likely beyond the reach of U.S. GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) bombs, which can penetrate up to 60 meters of earth or 8–12 meters of concrete. Experts note that even using two MOPs in succession may not destroy such a deep site.

  • Context: The new Natanz facility’s depth and fortification make it a significant challenge for conventional airstrikes, prompting concerns about Iran’s ability to protect its enrichment infrastructure. Posts on X highlight skepticism about U.S. and Israeli bombs reaching these depths.
Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant
  • Depth: Fordow, located near Qom, is buried 80–90 meters under a mountain, with some estimates suggesting up to 295 feet (90 meters) of rock and reinforced concrete protection. IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi has stated it is nearly 800 meters under the surface, though this may refer to the mountain’s peak rather than the facility’s exact depth.

  • Missile Vulnerability: Fordow is considered Iran’s most sheltered nuclear site, designed to be nearly impregnable to conventional airstrikes. The U.S. GBU-57 MOP is unlikely to penetrate Fordow’s depth, and Israel reportedly lacks bunker-busting bombs capable of reaching it. Experts suggest that only sabotage or targeting entryways and airshafts could disrupt operations, as airstrikes alone cannot destroy the facility. There are no confirmed reports of Fordow being hit in the June 2025 Israeli strikes, indicating its resilience.
  • Context: Fordow’s depth and strategic importance (enriching uranium to 60% with advanced IR-6 centrifuges) make it a focal point for concerns about Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Its fortification reflects Iran’s long-term strategy to harden nuclear sites against military threats.
General Missile and Bomb Limitations
  • U.S. Capabilities: The GBU-57 MOP, the U.S.’s most powerful conventional bunker-buster, can penetrate 60 meters of earth or 8–12 meters of concrete, but deeper facilities like Fordow and the new Natanz complex are likely beyond its reach. Posts on X emphasize that even U.S. B-2 bombers carrying MOPs may not suffice for Iran’s deepest sites.

  • Israeli Capabilities: Israel’s bunker-busting bombs are less advanced than the U.S. MOP, and sources indicate Israel lacks the capability to destroy Fordow or the new Natanz facility with airstrikes alone. The June 2025 strikes damaged Natanz’s above-ground and shallower underground facilities but likely spared deeper infrastructure.

  • Alternative Strategies: Experts suggest that targeting entry points, airshafts, or power supplies via sabotage or precision strikes could disrupt operations at deep facilities, as seen in past Israeli actions (e.g., Stuxnet cyberattack)
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Ill get me Hat
 
steeleye20 said:
'Our victory is the future - a historical fact'

Dr.Shadid Bolsen - Middle Nation.

'The United States and Israel are 'the enemies of humanity'.


There is a flood of converts to Islam in the west.

😎
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I assume you have joined the flood?
 
Matov said:
Iran has been a civilisation for thousands of years before Israel existed. And will be a civilisation for thousands of years after Israel ceases to exist.

Israel is screwed. It can throw everything it can muster, cajole the West into attacking Iran and generally make like hell for Iran and in the end, Iran wins.

And Israel know it.

Their actions are not the actions of a nation with any real power. Sure, I am convinced they use their diaspora to bribe and blackmail Western politicians, but that is always going to be fleeting. The most rudimentary and puerile expression of genuine statehood. The louder you are, the less sway you have. Basic rules of the game.
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So what?
 
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