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Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

ambrose7 said:
Whatever UEFA end up deciding, it's shambolic that this is even a debate.

This multi-club shite has been hanging round our necks for years and nothing has been done to sort it out.

The Liverpool fiasco in 1991 was the beginning of the end of that team. We might be about to repeat the trick but this time the board would have no-one to blame but themselves.
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This is my biggest concern... IF we are kicked out (even though I do think we will be ok) it could lead to our team pretty much being pillaged...
 
PatrickA said:
I hope you're right, but it's not just control, it's also 'significant influence. '

If Textor has around 40% of the shares and 25% of the voting rights as well as supposedly being heavily involved in the appointment of Glasner, it may be difficult to demonstrate that the influence is insignificant.
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You keep using this word. He either was or he wasn't. If you can't put up, you are just a conspiracy theorist.
 
viapalace said:
Saw something saying he would sell at 25% loss on market value. No clue how much that is but it’s probabaly still a sh*tload. Parish & Co don’t have the money of most other prem clubs to spend in a heartbeat so god knows how this plays out..
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I saw a post recently that Textor's value was £232m and I recall a value of £20m when the original group of four bought CPFC for about £80m and yet Textor's individual value shown more recently as £230M. Not much to him but to us???
 
There's a disconnect. Textor wanted him at Lyon. He 'ultimately' ended up at Palace after Parish met him 'independently ' .

So now prove Textor's 'significant' influence on the decision by Parish to appoint Glasner.
 
JHB said:
It looks unlikely we will be playing in the Europa League as things stand. A few comments blaming UEFA but honestly this is just bad planning on the club’s part. The rules are there in black and white and everyone knew the deadline for putting shares in a blind trust. saying Textor has no influence is just not realistic. It would be absolutely gutting to miss out but how would we feel if UEFA bent the rules for another club and we missed out. The whole thing is just so Palace. Even when actually winning something we manage to snatch defeat from it
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I think that’s my thoughts as well. I just hope not getting into Europe doesn’t mean we lose Glasner and players that would have stayed because of qualification. Then we have players not wanting to sign for us that we may have been able to impress with Europe on our fixture list. It’s a mess and we look as if we weren’t prepared. Totally unprofessional. I can only blame our owners if we get chucked out. I don’t care who takes our place in Europe. Good luck to them. I’m just sad that we’ve thrown away our chance to be amongst the top sides in the prem and Europe. At least we have our first major trophy but what a slap in the face after that win :-(
 
ambrose7 said:
Whatever UEFA end up deciding, it's shambolic that this is even a debate.

This multi-club shite has been hanging round our necks for years and nothing has been done to sort it out.

The Liverpool fiasco in 1991 was the beginning of the end of that team. We might be about to repeat the trick but this time the board would have no-one to blame but themselves.
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Has it though ?

I thought when Textor invested in Palace in 2021 he had no investments in other clubs. As I've posted before on this, given Parish's stance on multi club ownership I think it's unlikely that he was aware of Textor's intentions at that time. So I think three years we have had the issue.

And what exactly can be done to '' sort it out '' ?

Textor has every right to retain his shares. It seems that Harris and Blitzer have made no moves to buy him out even when he was open to selling his shares to fund his bid to buy Everton. In fact it was reported that Textor wanted to buy their shares and take total control over Palace after the Everton purchase was no longer an option.

I totally agree that the ownership structure is unsatisfactory. But unravelling it is not a simple process, and the reasons why have been debated at length on here.
 
glazedallover said:
There's a disconnect. Textor wanted him at Lyon. He 'ultimately' ended up at Palace after Parish met him 'independently ' .

So now prove Textor's 'significant' influence on the decision by Parish to appoint Glasner.
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I don’t have to ‘prove’ anything either way.

I have no inside information, only that in the public domain and that’s what I’m putting out there.

The story is that Textor wanted Glasner at Lyon, but Glasner does not speak French so that scuppered that happening.
At that point , the story goes, Textor mentioned Glasner as an option to manage Palace.
The intention at Palace ( as verified in Glasner’s podcast) was that Hodgson would see out the season before last with Glasner due to start at the beginning of last season.
Glasner was brought in earlier when the decision was taken for Roy not to continue.

If there wasn’t a problem there would not have been a meeting with the European authorities and we would be happily looking forward to Europe.
The facts are that this isn’t the case and it seems pointless wishing it away or hitting out at the authorities.

Plenty of posters on here in recent years have pointed out the problems of the complex ownership structure, and now it could come back to bite us.
Like all fans I hope this isn’t the case, but we have to be aware of the possibility
 
PatrickA said:
I don’t have to ‘prove’ anything either way.

I have no inside information, only that in the public domain and that’s what I’m putting out there.

The story is that Textor wanted Glasner at Lyon, but Glasner does not speak French so that scuppered that happening.
At that point , the story goes, Textor mentioned Glasner as an option to manage Palace.
The intention at Palace ( as verified in Glasner’s podcast) was that Hodgson would see out the season before last with Glasner due to start at the beginning of last season.
Glasner was brought in earlier when the decision was taken for Roy not to continue.

If there wasn’t a problem there would not have been a meeting with the European authorities and we would be happily looking forward to Europe.
The facts are that this isn’t the case and it seems pointless wishing it away or hitting out at the authorities.

Plenty of posters on here in recent years have pointed out the problems of the complex ownership structure, and now it could come back to bite us.
Like all fans I hope this isn’t the case, but we have to be aware of the possibility
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JHB said:
It looks unlikely we will be playing in the Europa League as things stand. A few comments blaming UEFA but honestly this is just bad planning on the club’s part. The rules are there in black and white and everyone knew the deadline for putting shares in a blind trust. saying Textor has no influence is just not realistic. It would be absolutely gutting to miss out but how would we feel if UEFA bent the rules for another club and we missed out. The whole thing is just so Palace. Even when actually winning something we manage to snatch defeat from it
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I freely admit that I don't know whether that March deadline was 1st March or 31st. March. Nor have I checked - have you ?

Palace beat Millwall in the 5th Round on 1st. March. Should Palace have acted then ? Or before/after we beat Fulham in the 6th Round on 29th. March ??

I'm not making excuses for the Board, but I don't think these things are as simple as you may think they are.

I don't think that anyone is saying that Textor has '' no influence ''. What is being said is that he doesn't have control. Patrick A made the point about '' significant interest '' - that seems pretty subjective to me. And as I posted previously, it's Parish that has the final say in the running of the club - indeed that has been a bone of contention between him and Textor.

My view - and hope ! - is that UEFA, having correctly investigated this matter according to their rules, come to the conclusion that there is no case to answer to.

I'll caveat that by admitting that I have little confidence in most of the football authorities !
 
I will admit I am so rattled that I’ve been constantly viewing Textor’s instagram stories. It appears you can send him direct messages as well if anyone wishes to offer him some polite words of advice.

Keep the faith. Night

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PatrickA said:
From today's Guardian.
Perhaps you'd be better off addressing Matt Hughes who's the journalist concerned if you are so mistrustful of the story.View attachment 1254
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It was widely reported at the time that Textor made the initial Glasner - Palace introduction.

But is that classified as having a '' significant influence '' ?

While it's undoubtably a major decision, it wasn't Textor's alone to make in terms of hiring Glasner.

If you look at the decision making process at Palace, my expectation is that in the big scheme of things, Textor having the same voting rights as the other Board members should prove Palace's case.
 
So.... I won't be too upset if we can't play Europe.. I doubt we would have won it, it could have been a distraction..

However, I feel for the fans who miss out on the fun, drama etc.
I feel for the players who won't get that taste...

I also feel for the club as it can ravage our team.. players moving on and players deciding against joining us.. that's the hard part...

Ultimately, in business you need to plan for every eventuality.. not assume.. so the owners messed up here.
 
I’m reminded of the Al Pacino line in The Godfather,
‘The key is to get rid of Solazzo.’

For Solazzo, substitute Textor.

If Textor is out of the club the question of ‘control or significant influence’ goes out the window and there’s no conflict with Lyon’s involvement in the same competition.

Can a buyer be found though with the complicated existing ownership/executive structure though?

It’s a bit of a Catch 22 situation in some ways.
 
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