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cryrst said:
Tax directors bonus at an higher rate and over 100 k salaries. Make self employed pay the tax on what they earn alongside a sensible NI contribution.
That would do it !
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No it wouldn’t 🤣

You realise how big a gap that would be to plug?
 
Reform, for all the objections I personally have over the Lowe situation, appear to be the top polling party regularly now.

The politics of the left we see on Hol are thoroughly rejected by a majority of the general public as soon as they get a taste of it. Reform deserve power in a few years just upon the same basis that Labour got in themselves....that being that they aren't Labour or the betraying Tories and thus deserve a go.

Now, just as was predicted, Labour are trying to 'out Reform' Reform with Starmer giving his, 'Rivers of Bruv' speech. Doing what Starmer has politically done all his career, which is to have zero principles and say whatever he thinks he needs to left or right, to gain or retain power.

However, his reaction to Southport, which the Owen Jones types loved so much, looks to have permanently damaged him with traditional Labour voters that older less progressive base.....because his anti white working class mask slipped and as predicted he's now attempting to lie about being against their replacement.....Trying out a lefty version of Enoch Powell to reassure the demographic he hates that it'll all be alright.

You can't dislike the lying slime enough.

Oh and let's remember that there's a certain poster on here who suggested that the best path for the Tories was to remain a centralist party....I kid you not.....and that Reform would do badly as people would reject what he refers to as 'far right'.

Like most of his predictions, completely out of touch.
 
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It's funny that those who supposedly most celebrate diversity most often complain about difference.

Marc Geuhi seems like a good bloke and he has done very well for the club. Who he supports or doesn't support politically doesn't change that for me.

He's a millionaire footballer who next year will most likely be playing for another club or maybe as some think running down his contract. For him football is a career and I have no complaints.

But next year I'll still be a Crystal Palace fan, Marc Geuhi or no Marc Geuhi, and the year after that and the year after that and so on......It's not about the money honey or the player: it's the club that was part of my childhood and thus heritage.
 
Stirlingsays said:
It's funny that those who supposedly most celebrate diversity most often complain about difference.

Marc Geuhi seems like a good bloke and he has done very well for the club. Who he supports or doesn't support politically doesn't change that for me.

He's a millionaire footballer who next year will most likely be playing for another club or maybe as some think running down his contract. For him football is a career and I have no complaints.

But next year I'll still be a Crystal Palace fan, Marc Geuhi or no Marc Geuhi, and the year after that and the year after that and so on......It's not about the money honey or the player: it's the club that was part of my childhood and thus heritage.
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Bingo, red and blue is all that matters 👍
 
Stirlingsays said:
Reform, for all the objections I personally have over the Lowe situation, appear to be the top polling party regularly now.

The politics of the left we see on Hol are thoroughly rejected by a majority of the general public as soon as they get a taste of it. Reform deserve power in a few years just upon the same basis that Labour got in themselves....that being that they aren't Labour or the betraying Tories and thus deserve a go.

Now, just as was predicted, Labour are trying to 'out Reform' Reform with Starmer giving his, 'Rivers of Bruv' speech. Doing what Starmer has politically done all his career, which is to have zero principles and say whatever he thinks he needs to left or right, to gain or retain power.

However, his reaction to Southport, which the Owen Jones types loved so much, looks to have permanently damaged him with traditional Labour voters that older less progressive base.....because his anti white working class mask slipped and as predicted he's now attempting to lie about being against their replacement.....Trying out a lefty version of Enoch Powell to reassure the demographic he hates that it'll all be alright.

You can't dislike the lying slime enough.

Oh and let's remember that there's a certain poster on here who suggested that the best path for the Tories was to remain a centralist party....I kid you not.....and that Reform would do badly as people would reject what he refers to as 'far right'.

Like most of his predictions, completely out of touch.
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I not just suggested it then, I believe it now!

If the Tories try to fight Reform for the right wing vote they will lose. They will split that vote but the appeal of the new will win over the legacy of the old.

Reform are on the crest of a wave right now. They have never held power so never had to do anything or be held accountable. All they have done is make noise and undeliverable promises. That’s what some salesmen, who are actually con merchants, do. True sales and marketing professionals decide strategy on what their customers actually need and not what they want. Then they have to convince them it’s what they want. Honesty will always pay bigger dividends in the long term than short term bluster.

Reform will rnow run a few councils and their capabilities will be tested. Don’t hold your breath.

There’s always some who are attracted by the idea of “giving them a chance as they cannot be any worse”. Those, alongside the minority who truly believe in hard right politics, are enough to have produced the current situation. There are many others, like me, who despise hard right politics. Enough, I firmly believe, to keep Reform away from any involvement in national government. The Tories need to distance themselves from them and appeal to the bulk of the people who are neither right nor left, but pragmatic centralists like me. They need to aim for those who swung to Labour last time by firmly rejecting hard right ideas, and embracing the need to rebuild our relationship with the EU.

The key issue is to separate the need for legal immigration to fill the holes in our economy from the need to stop illegal immigration. We can do the latter much more effectively in partnership with our neighbours. Having a credible long term plan to reduce the benefit culture and vastly increase skills training, with the payment of benefits dependent on attending training, would receive popular support. The Tories need to reinvent themselves. Not to give in and become a clone of Reform. That’s the path to oblivion.
 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
I not just suggested it then, I believe it now!

If the Tories try to fight Reform for the right wing vote they will lose. They will split that vote but the appeal of the new will win over the legacy of the old.

Reform are on the crest of a wave right now. They have never held power so never had to do anything or be held accountable. All they have done is make noise and undeliverable promises. That’s what some salesmen, who are actually con merchants, do. True sales and marketing professionals decide strategy on what their customers actually need and not what they want. Then they have to convince them it’s what they want. Honesty will always pay bigger dividends in the long term than short term bluster.

Reform will rnow run a few councils and their capabilities will be tested. Don’t hold your breath.

There’s always some who are attracted by the idea of “giving them a chance as they cannot be any worse”. Those, alongside the minority who truly believe in hard right politics, are enough to have produced the current situation. There are many others, like me, who despise hard right politics. Enough, I firmly believe, to keep Reform away from any involvement in national government. The Tories need to distance themselves from them and appeal to the bulk of the people who are neither right nor left, but pragmatic centralists like me. They need to aim for those who swung to Labour last time by firmly rejecting hard right ideas, and embracing the need to rebuild our relationship with the EU.

The key issue is to separate the need for legal immigration to fill the holes in our economy from the need to stop illegal immigration. We can do the latter much more effectively in partnership with our neighbours. Having a credible long term plan to reduce the benefit culture and vastly increase skills training, with the payment of benefits dependent on attending training, would receive popular support. The Tories need to reinvent themselves. Not to give in and become a clone of Reform. That’s the path to oblivion.
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So the ‘hard right’ policies reform have announced they would do if in power are…?
 
cryrst said:
So the ‘hard right’ policies reform have announced they would do if in power are…?
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You need to ask them that. Or more accurately ask Farage as he is the only one who actually takes decisions. Most of what they have said they would do are either unfunded dreams, like raising the tax threshold to £20,000, or just rhetoric, like stopping “unnecessary” immigration.
 
Penge Eagle said:
I've always wondered what 'hard right' just like 'hard Brexit'. It's just right wing or Brexit.
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Only someone on the hard right thinks that way.

There are degrees, a spectrum of attitudes. As in most things. I am centre right. I believe in tight fiscal responsibility but with a liberal approach on social matters.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I not just suggested it then, I believe it now!

If the Tories try to fight Reform for the right wing vote they will lose. They will split that vote but the appeal of the new will win over the legacy of the old.

Reform are on the crest of a wave right now. They have never held power so never had to do anything or be held accountable. All they have done is make noise and undeliverable promises. That’s what some salesmen, who are actually con merchants, do. True sales and marketing professionals decide strategy on what their customers actually need and not what they want. Then they have to convince them it’s what they want. Honesty will always pay bigger dividends in the long term than short term bluster.

Reform will rnow run a few councils and their capabilities will be tested. Don’t hold your breath.

There’s always some who are attracted by the idea of “giving them a chance as they cannot be any worse”. Those, alongside the minority who truly believe in hard right politics, are enough to have produced the current situation. There are many others, like me, who despise hard right politics. Enough, I firmly believe, to keep Reform away from any involvement in national government. The Tories need to distance themselves from them and appeal to the bulk of the people who are neither right nor left, but pragmatic centralists like me. They need to aim for those who swung to Labour last time by firmly rejecting hard right ideas, and embracing the need to rebuild our relationship with the EU.

The key issue is to separate the need for legal immigration to fill the holes in our economy from the need to stop illegal immigration. We can do the latter much more effectively in partnership with our neighbours. Having a credible long term plan to reduce the benefit culture and vastly increase skills training, with the payment of benefits dependent on attending training, would receive popular support. The Tories need to reinvent themselves. Not to give in and become a clone of Reform. That’s the path to oblivion.
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This isn’t true. Marketing is satisfying consumers needs and wants. Does the consumer need 100 different crisp flavours and varying shapes and crunch levels in the aisles of Sainsbury’s? No, they don’t. They want them (once they know they’re a thing) but they don’t need them. Go in any Lidl or Aldi and there is 90 odd percent of the stuff you need in there.

All you’re doing is what you’ve done before. Arguing that politicians, well the ones you agree with, are the only people who decide what we need or what’s best for us, and that nobody else should have a voice or even an opinion. That is why Reform keeps growing.
 
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