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Free accommodation, all food, free healthcare ( doctors and dentists), new clothes on arrival, free mobile phones. I’m not sure the treaty obliges us to be so obliging.
What would deter them? Rwanda
They should be given literally nothing, they would soon stop coming.
 
I'm sure Yvette Cooper might take some of them in.

After all, she said previously she would let migrants stay at her gaff...
Surely there is a landlord in Cornwall who will gladly provide accommodation
 
Free accommodation, all food, free healthcare ( doctors and dentists), new clothes on arrival, free mobile phones. I’m not sure the treaty obliges us to be so obliging.
What would deter them? Rwanda
I googled that claim as it didn’t feel quite right. This was the response:-

“Asylum seekers in the UK are entitled to free accommodation, food, and healthcare, including doctors and dentists, but not necessarily new clothes or free mobile phones upon arrival.While a basic clothing pack is provided, it's not necessarily new clothes on arrival. Free NHS healthcare is available to asylum seekers, including access to doctors and dentists.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Accommodation and Food:
    Asylum seekers receive free accommodation and a weekly cash allowance to cover essential living needs, including food. This accommodation can be in hotels, army barracks, or other facilities.

  • Healthcare:
    They have free access to the National Health Service (NHS), including doctors, dentists, prescriptions, and eyesight tests.

  • Clothing:
    While a basic clothing pack is provided, it's not necessarily new clothes. The pack consists of underwear, socks, a t-shirt, trousers/jogging bottoms, a sweatshirt, and weather-appropriate footwear.

  • Mobile Phones:
    While mobile phones were provided to some asylum seekers during the pandemic for remote interviews, this was a temporary measure, according to a fact-checking article on Full Fact. Generally, asylum seekers are not given free mobile phones.“
 
I googled that claim as it didn’t feel quite right. This was the response:-

“Asylum seekers in the UK are entitled to free accommodation, food, and healthcare, including doctors and dentists, but not necessarily new clothes or free mobile phones upon arrival.While a basic clothing pack is provided, it's not necessarily new clothes on arrival. Free NHS healthcare is available to asylum seekers, including access to doctors and dentists.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Accommodation and Food:
    Asylum seekers receive free accommodation and a weekly cash allowance to cover essential living needs, including food. This accommodation can be in hotels, army barracks, or other facilities.

  • Healthcare:
    They have free access to the National Health Service (NHS), including doctors, dentists, prescriptions, and eyesight tests.

  • Clothing:
    While a basic clothing pack is provided, it's not necessarily new clothes. The pack consists of underwear, socks, a t-shirt, trousers/jogging bottoms, a sweatshirt, and weather-appropriate footwear.

  • Mobile Phones:
    While mobile phones were provided to some asylum seekers during the pandemic for remote interviews, this was a temporary measure, according to a fact-checking article on Full Fact. Generally, asylum seekers are not given free mobile phones.“
I will tell my ex-colleagues to stop handing them out then! With regard to the clothing most is new but, of course, many turn them down as it’s not what they want. Those living in hotels get 3 meals a day plus snacks, all free….. fact
Still not bad is it, shame a lot of Brits would welcome being given the same
 
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He is basically conceding that what he calls the 'far right'. (That's people who objected to mass migration according to the left) were correct all along.

There is no credible way of going back from this point.

Credible to who though? Look at the wankers who voted for him in the first place? The pissy faced lemon suckers who are now SILENT about this.

Part of me is actually a little (very very little) bit sorry for them. Because Starmers speech today, in which he LITERALLY parroted lines from Enoch Powell, is a complete bitch slap for them.

Now I aint buying a single bit of this BS from Starmer because he is merely a pawn doing as he is told but the question is now for those on the Soc.lib left (Not the actual Lefties because they never supported Starmer in the first place) is do they actually, for the first time in their pathetic little passive-aggressive, virtue signalling lives, actually find some kind of spine and stand up against this?

Because supporting Labour now is supporting Farage. No ifs. No buts. Reform might not be in power but they are setting the agenda. And for the record, I f***ing hate Farage.
 
Credible to who though? Look at the wankers who voted for him in the first place? The pissy faced lemon suckers who are now SILENT about this.

Part of me is actually a little (very very little) bit sorry for them. Because Starmers speech today, in which he LITERALLY parroted lines from Enoch Powell, is a complete bitch slap for them.

Now I aint buying a single bit of this BS from Starmer because he is merely a pawn doing as he is told but the question is now for those on the Soc.lib left (Not the actual Lefties because they never supported Starmer in the first place) is do they actually, for the first time in their pathetic little passive-aggressive, virtue signalling lives, actually find some kind of spine and stand up against this?

Because supporting Labour now is supporting Farage. No ifs. No buts. Reform might not be in power but they are setting the agenda. And for the record, I f***ing hate Farage.
Not sure why.
He is almost single handedly shifting the political agenda to the place we want.
He knows that Reform has to stick to a formula that will win votes, not one that would have impressed Oswald Mosley.
 
Credible to who though? Look at the wankers who voted for him in the first place? The pissy faced lemon suckers who are now SILENT about this.

Part of me is actually a little (very very little) bit sorry for them. Because Starmers speech today, in which he LITERALLY parroted lines from Enoch Powell, is a complete bitch slap for them.

Now I aint buying a single bit of this BS from Starmer because he is merely a pawn doing as he is told but the question is now for those on the Soc.lib left (Not the actual Lefties because they never supported Starmer in the first place) is do they actually, for the first time in their pathetic little passive-aggressive, virtue signalling lives, actually find some kind of spine and stand up against this?

Because supporting Labour now is supporting Farage. No ifs. No buts. Reform might not be in power but they are setting the agenda. And for the record, I f***ing hate Farage.
Starmer stopped most of the local elections to redraw the maps; yeah right. 2TK did it to test the water and he’s been scolded badly. He has a year because in 2026 the other local elections are happening. If a majority vote reform he is f***ed. From there if reform do show decent change the general election could be a gimmee.
 
Not sure why.
He is almost single handedly shifting the political agenda to the place we want.
He knows that Reform has to stick to a formula that will win votes, not one that would have impressed Oswald Mosley.

I see Farage as nothing more than a lightning conductor. Time and time again he has led the charge only to back away or divert the focus. And now Starmer has started parroting him, you watch Reform implode in some way. The system knows it needs to at least have it percieved as 'listening' to concerns about mass immigration.

For me, all you need to look at who Reform have as their party chairman and how they turned on Rupert Lowe. They are not our friends.
 
Meaningless word salads from Cooper ansd TTK, they hope that this will have some effect on public opinion bwofre the 2026 elections.

Now I see a Labour commentator defending the increasing boat crossings by saying the legislation to " smash the gangs " has not passed through Parliament yet.
 
I see Farage as nothing more than a lightning conductor. Time and time again he has led the charge only to back away or divert the focus. And now Starmer has started parroting him, you watch Reform implode in some way. The system knows it needs to at least have it percieved as 'listening' to concerns about mass immigration.

For me, all you need to look at who Reform have as their party chairman and how they turned on Rupert Lowe. They are not our friends.
I don't buy the conspiracy.
Extremism will serve no one. Naturally, the establishment will stop it happening.
The only way forward is to make politicians fear for their jobs. That is the only power we have.

The last thing we want is division in Reform. Rupert Lowe is not important to its success. Farage is. It's that simple.
We can worry about the direction of policy when they are in a position of power.
 
Meaningless word salads from Cooper ansd TTK, they hope that this will have some effect on public opinion bwofre the 2026 elections.

Now I see a Labour commentator defending the increasing boat crossings by saying the legislation to " smash the gangs " has not passed through Parliament yet.
That being said, the massive u turn by TTK and Cooper on immigration should cause serious pushback from the Labour back benches and one or two of the Cabinet.

TTK just reacts to the latest poll or op ed piece without thinking anything through or understanding the political implications.

Difference with Boris is that Boris understood the implications of his actions but assued ne could bluster his way through,

Two cheeks of the same uniparty backside
 
Credible to who though? Look at the wankers who voted for him in the first place? The pissy faced lemon suckers who are now SILENT about this.

Part of me is actually a little (very very little) bit sorry for them. Because Starmers speech today, in which he LITERALLY parroted lines from Enoch Powell, is a complete bitch slap for them.

Now I aint buying a single bit of this BS from Starmer because he is merely a pawn doing as he is told but the question is now for those on the Soc.lib left (Not the actual Lefties because they never supported Starmer in the first place) is do they actually, for the first time in their pathetic little passive-aggressive, virtue signalling lives, actually find some kind of spine and stand up against this?

Because supporting Labour now is supporting Farage. No ifs. No buts. Reform might not be in power but they are setting the agenda. And for the record, I f***ing hate Farage.

Don't feel sorry for them - it was very obvious to anyone on the left what Starmer and his party were going to be, and they championed him regardless. The same factions who sabotaged Corbyn finally have their man in power, and look at the state of it.

The second half of your post is spot on - it's just awful politics in every sense. The Reform crowd are never going to vote for Starmer, and so pandering to them at the expense of people who might is just plain dumb. A truly amateur shower of airheads.
 
BBC thought they'd chuck in their article, the message is "We'll collapse without it all". I mean, who is driving this s*** behind the scenes? Rich industrialists who don't live here, making money off asset rises and cheaper labour. I particularly like the Pakistani migrant who runs a mobile phone shop (so useful to Britain) and he wants to pull up the drawbridge of course.

 
For me, all you need to look at who Reform have as their party chairman. They are not our friends.


Yup, Zia Yusuf - Wikipedia

So this is a guy who got educated on the back of state sponsorship, likely because he wasn't from a rich family and because he's the offspring of immigrants, then goes on to hang about with the toffs, make a fortune, then do things to enrich himself by trying to change the laws through political lobbying and sponsorship.
 

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