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Wisbech Eagle said:
No government trying to manage the UK at the moment would fare any better. It’s not Labour that’s the problem it’s those damn events. No one would have been brave enough to raise taxes to the point where they could make a difference. Which is what is really needed. Tinkering with benefits, shortchanging local authorities do they catch the fall out and decimating foreign aid just puts a sticking plaster over a bleeding wound that’s now haemorrhaging voters.

Getting closer to the EU is a prerequisite of any recovery. That’s where our future lies. Not in the USA.
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What is really needed is far less government and far less taxation - that would make a huge difference.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
How do you think polling companies work?

They never poll a high proportion of the people. They poll a representative sample which is extrapolated to give an estimate of the whole, always stated within a margin of error.

They don’t claim absolutes. They measure trends and approximate positions. From this one the trend is clear as are the approximate positions. You might want to dismiss it because it doesn’t fit your narrative, but the politicians won’t.
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Like you did with the Brexit vote you mean?
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Will the politicians dismiss this projection?

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Who knows?

I don’t necessarily but I question what you reference because it isn’t the research itself but a right wing writer’s projection from it. I haven’t read the actual research by Pew but the article follows the logic of the ”Great Replacement Theory” which contains the fatal assumption that everything progresses in straight lines, when clearly they don’t.

It seems unarguable that Islam is growing whilst Christianity is declining at present. Will that continue or will Islam peak and also decline as its adherents join the developed world and its knowledge overpowers superstition? Birth rates are eventually governed by economics and not by religious belief. There are many reasons to believe that the admittedly slow absorption of Islam into mainstream society will make this projection untrue,
 
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georgenorman said:
Like you did with the Brexit vote you mean?
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No.

The Brexit vote wasn’t a polling result, even if that’s all it should have been.

It was an abomination, a cop out by a Prime Minister seeking to destroy a threat to their party that not only failed but delivered the most stupid piece of self inflicted harm to my country I have witnessed.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
No.

The Brexit vote wasn’t a polling result, even if that’s all it should have been.

It was an abomination, a cop out by a Prime Minister seeking to destroy a threat to their party that not only failed but delivered the most stupid piece of self inflicted harm to my country I have witnessed.
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It was of course entirely the opposite.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I also read this threat.

I wonder how the council tax payers will react when their shiny new Reform led councils start spending time and legal fees on pursuing such pointless projects while the pot holes and rubbish collections get worse and their bills get bigger?
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Indeed. How could anyone cope in that totally unique scenario.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
It would!

It would increase poverty and crime substantially and take us back to values we overcame a century ago.
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You assume that the tax cuts would be to the relief of real and unavoidable poverty and to the policing of of crime. There are many tax funded activities that could be cut back or abolished altogether - Regional Mayors and Police Commissioners immediately spring to mind. It has b-all to do with values of a century ago.
 
georgenorman said:
You assume that the tax cuts would be to the relief of real and unavoidable poverty and to the policing of of crime. There are many tax funded activities that could be cut back or abolished altogether - Regional Mayors and Police Commissioners immediately spring to mind. It has b-all to do with values of a century ago.
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I assume far less means what it says and that’s not tinkering at the margins. It’s cutting into the core.

The kind of things you mention are a drop in the ocean of overall spending.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I assume far less means what it says and that’s not tinkering at the margins. It’s cutting into the core.

The kind of things you mention are a drop in the ocean of overall spending.
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Like our emissions compared to other countries in the world then; but you keep banging on about how badly we are affecting the environment. A drop in the ocean of emissions I guess !!!
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
If Brexit was indeed only a poll why did Parliament act on it when they were overwhelmingly opposed to it?

Our democracy demands our politicians deliver what they believe we need. Not deliver what we ask for.
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I was referring to your statement: "the most stupid piece of self inflicted harm to my country I have witnessed."
 
Now that 'Reform' are in charge of a number of councils they have now got to govern and of course will be subject to intense scrutiny.Reform have no 'baggage' from governing but will they actually govern effectively ?
They have talked the talk but will they walk the walk ? Time will tell.
 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
I assume far less means what it says and that’s not tinkering at the margins. It’s cutting into the core.

The kind of things you mention are a drop in the ocean of overall spending.
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Quangos cost the taxpayer £353.3 billion a year.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I think you will find things remain a great deal better than they were a century ago despite the impact of the various crisises we have faced in recent years. Something that Reform could doubtless though be able to make worse.
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I don't measure it against a century ago. Nor does anyone else. I measure it in my lifetime. You don't think there's more crime and less social cohesion - say in times of our memory? When you were born, in comparison to today, you could argue there was almost zero crime. In my time crime will have more than doubled - probably loads more than that. Particularly violent crime, murder, sex crime - obviously drugs.
 
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