Israel v Hamas

[Stirlingsays]

Who is the "we" and carrying water?

I'm not digging out people on the forum if they want to weigh in heavily on one side or the other. I understand what the differing arguments are. I was just stating my position as I think I make clear.....that neither of these 'sides' care about us and that both have injured us and both interfere with us negatively.

So when I say 'carry water' it's just that. I don't see neither side as a positive actor for the British.

In fact we are everyone's whipping boy.

 

[Penge Eagle]

I'm not digging out people on the forum if they want to weigh in heavily on one side or the other. I understand what the differing arguments are. I was just stating my position as I think I make clear.....that neither of these 'sides' care about us and that both have injured us and both interfere with us negatively.

So when I say 'carry water' it's just that. I don't see neither side as a positive actor for the British.

In fact we are everyone's whipping boy.

You are correct but I don't believe anybody is carrying water for anyone. It's nothing more than discussing a conflict that's in the news.

I visited a synagogue this week and many of the British Jews said they feel under attack right now. They are genuinely worried about the future living in London. A minority group that few people defend.

 

[Stirlingsays]

You are correct but I don't believe anybody is carrying water for anyone. It's nothing more than discussing a conflict that's in the news.

I visited a synagogue this week and many of the British Jews said they feel under attack right now. They are genuinely worried about the future living in London. A minority group that few people defend.

Well, as a group they are under attack and they are right to be worried. Each year the government imports people who will be forever their enemies....it's a policy this government has pursued because it's the group think in most of Europe....It's maddening for us on the right but there you go.

Jews themselves I have little issue defending, even though....because they view themselves as a minority, most of them vote left....Or did so until recent events. They were encouraging their own displacement.

Some Jews will leave and that's unfortunate even though I don't blame them. If we can get the real right in charge in this country we can start making this a country that puts Britain first and rejects the attempts of the left and neoliberals to turn us into a sectarian mess that represent foreign 'zones of control' that aren't British.....well, it isn't an attempt, it's pretty much happened already in areas.

Perhaps if this can be corrected Jews will feel safe here.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Mission Creep.
It's been happening steadily, since Israel launched it's counter-offensive.
Now additional areas of Gaza are going to be under direct Israeli control.

"Israel's defence minister has said troops will remain in so-called security zones they have established by seizing large areas of Gaza even after an end to the war.

Israel Katz said the zones would provide a "buffer" to protect Israeli communities "in any temporary or permanent situation", and that "tens of per cent" of the Palestinian territory had been added since the Israeli offensive resumed three weeks ago.

Israel would continue its six-week blockade of humanitarian aid to pressure Hamas to release hostages, he said, despite the UN warning of "devastating" consequences." (16 April 2025. BBC)

I have feelings of resignation in regards to this, but what we all have to watch is the slaughter and displacement of Palestinians whilst Israel completes its mission. I never thought i would see a genocide in my lifetime. But there are many, all under-reported. This is particularly disturbing to me, because there is no Western media coverage (to speak of), and this is all being funded by the USA and their military suppliers.

 

[steeleye20]

Palm Sunday should be re-named 'kissing the arse of Netanyahu' day.

😎

 

[HKOwen]

Palm Sunday should be re-named 'kissing the arse of Netanyahu' day.

😎

Welby had plenty to say, not as jew hating as you but certainly pro Hamas and anti Israel

 

[ASCPFC]

Palm Sunday should be re-named 'kissing the arse of Netanyahu' day.

😎

Christians don't complain about radical Islam which is right on their doorstep so they're unlikely to complain about radical religions in an area full of radical religious beliefs where Christians haven't been welcome for a thousand years.

 

[Penge Eagle]

Mission Creep.
It's been happening steadily, since Israel launched it's counter-offensive.
Now additional areas of Gaza are going to be under direct Israeli control.

"Israel's defence minister has said troops will remain in so-called security zones they have established by seizing large areas of Gaza even after an end to the war.

Israel Katz said the zones would provide a "buffer" to protect Israeli communities "in any temporary or permanent situation", and that "tens of per cent" of the Palestinian territory had been added since the Israeli offensive resumed three weeks ago.

Israel would continue its six-week blockade of humanitarian aid to pressure Hamas to release hostages, he said, despite the UN warning of "devastating" consequences." (16 April 2025. BBC)

I have feelings of resignation in regards to this, but what we all have to watch is the slaughter and displacement of Palestinians whilst Israel completes its mission. I never thought i would see a genocide in my lifetime. But there are many, all under-reported. This is particularly disturbing to me, because there is no Western media coverage (to speak of), and this is all being funded by the USA and their military suppliers.

How many times... it's not a genocide!

And you would have seen real genocides in your lifetime such as Cambodia in the 70s, Rwanda in the 90s, Yazidis in the 2000s. Maybe because the Jews weren't involved I imagine your memory gets a bit hazy.

Hamas has been funded to the tune of over £1billion by the UK and EU alone. Any thoughts on that?

 

[HKOwen]

How many times... it's not a genocide!

And you would have seen real genocides in your lifetime such as Cambodia in the 70s, Rwanda in the 90s, Yazidis in the 2000s. Maybe because the Jews weren't involved I imagine your memory gets a bit hazy.

Hamas has been funded to the tune of over £1billion by the UK and EU alone. Any thoughts on that?

This is bang on PE.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Palm Sunday should be re-named 'kissing the arse of Netanyahu' day.

😎

I think it's certainly true that Christianity has its peoples being butchered all over the world and not least the few Christians left persecuted in the middle east. So I will say that I often find the complete disregard and emphasis that the mainstream religion in the west has for the actual fate of its far more dedicated followers of Christianity elsewhere in the world a bit off putting.....it's a kind of a symbol for how watered down the religion has become......The word Christendom never really being heard anymore......Certain other words are being heard.

Indeed, in America they have become propagandized against themselves so much that the concerns of Judaism are more important than their own religion.....Douglas Murray....someone on much I'd agree......putting Jewish lives as more important than Christian lives due to the proportion scale.

Well, yeah I see the point Douglas but for feck's sake....just convert already.

 

[Spindle]

That bloke is a total knobhead.

 

[Spindle]

Well, yeah I see the point Douglas but for feck's sake....just convert already.

Revert. We're all born muslim according to the instruction manual.

 

[Penge Eagle]

I think it's certainly true that Christianity has its peoples being butchered all over the world and not least the few Christians left persecuted in the middle east. So I will say that I often find the complete disregard and emphasis that the mainstream religion in the west has for the actual fate of its far more dedicated followers of Christianity elsewhere in the world a bit off putting.....it's a kind of a symbol for how watered down the religion has become......The word Christendom never really being heard anymore......Certain other words are being heard.

Indeed, in America they have become propagandized against themselves so much that the concerns of Judaism are more important than their own religion.....Douglas Murray....someone on much I'd agree......putting Jewish lives as more important than Christian lives due to the proportion scale.

Well, yeah I see the point Douglas but for feck's sake....just convert already.

This is not true. Murray says Judaism is the root of Christianity which makes the West. He is a defender of Western values, culture and democracy. At a time when people are trying to tear it down.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I think it's certainly true that Christianity has its peoples being butchered all over the world and not least the few Christians left persecuted in the middle east. So I will say that I often find the complete disregard and emphasis that the mainstream religion in the west has for the actual fate of its far more dedicated followers of Christianity elsewhere in the world a bit off putting.....it's a kind of a symbol for how watered down the religion has become......The word Christendom never really being heard anymore......Certain other words are being heard.

Indeed, in America they have become propagandized against themselves so much that the concerns of Judaism are more important than their own religion.....Douglas Murray....someone on much I'd agree......putting Jewish lives as more important than Christian lives due to the proportion scale.

Well, yeah I see the point Douglas but for feck's sake....just convert already.

I'd imagine whoever is funding him sees the grift as more credible if he doesn't convert - the 'educated outsider' who just gets it.

 

[Penge Eagle]

I'd imagine whoever is funding him sees the grift as more credible if he doesn't convert - the 'educated outsider' who just gets it.

Do you think Candace Owens or Andrew Tate are being funded?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Do you think Candace Owens or Andrew Tate are being funded?

Of course - as are most political commentators with any sort of following.

No doubt you'll tell me I must hate Jews because I highlighted Murray will have funders.

 

[Stirlingsays]

This is not true. Murray says Judaism is the root of Christianity which makes the West. He is a defender of Western values, culture and democracy. At a time when people are trying to tear it down.

It's also the root that tried to end it.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I'd imagine whoever is funding him sees the grift as more credible if he doesn't convert - the 'educated outsider' who just gets it.

I think Douglas is genuine in his beliefs.

However, it's also true that the Henry Jackson society think tank is essentially a front for promoting the neocon policies you have seen these last thirty years. Its funding is from what you might expect.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Do you think Candace Owens or Andrew Tate are being funded?

Owens married a rich Christian and Tate made his money initially as an online pimp and then using entertainment businesses abroad.

I suspect the funds used against them are far higher than their own.

 

[Stirlingsays]

That bloke is a total knobhead.

I don't agree politically with Waters on much......I personally regard his 'another brick in the wall' as a generationally influential attack on a far more effective educational system than what's replaced it. However politically he's probably more aligned with yourself.....though not on the Zionism question.