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Spiderman said:
Is your first paragraph a conspiracy theory? Could be Could it not?
Still glad you have got over Trumps election victory, just as you said you would 👍
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It was pretty widely reported that the FBI took the claim seriously when he was elected in 2016 so i'd say more than a conspiracy theory. At a minimum there appeared to be evidence of collusion between the Trump team and Russia.

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Spindle said:
Why does Donald think that the USA has a champagne business?
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The Champagne region of France is to be renamed Donald's Vineyard. And a theme park is to be built somewhere between the two golf courses. I think you can see Musk's AI recreation of it, with him munching on some crêpes and some people walking around with strings of onions around their necks.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Yes it’s a conspiracy theory. Americans create a lot of them.

We all have no choice other than to “get over it”! It’s done. History. Now is for dealing with the consequences not trying to overturn the result. That’s the kind of approach that Trump himself adopts.

That though doesn’t mean we just lay down and accept the nonsense. It needs to be constantly called out for the destructive, incoherent, rambling disruption it is creating.

Trump has always used the BIG LIE technique. Tell a lie often enough and it becomes so commonplace as to be accepted as the truth.

I am but a small voice in an obscure forum but there are much bigger voices constantly calling out these lies. They are being heard. I sense a small but marked swing away from Trump in the last few weeks in the USA. How fast it grows and where it takes us is another question but there is hope.
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Like the Baa Baa Blacksheep concoction that even Kinnock trotted out.

B Johnson and the "50.000 new nurses"

Pet-eating Haiitians.

Thatcher: ‘Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope’.

No, sorry, not a lie that was repeated: nobody believed it in the first place.
 
Glazier#1 said:
Like the Baa Baa Blacksheep concoction that even Kinnock trotted out.

B Johnson and the "50.000 new nurses"

Pet-eating Haiitians.

Thatcher: ‘Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope’.

No, sorry, not a lie that was repeated: nobody believed it in the first place.
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All politicians select what they want to say and ignore what they don’t.

Trump uses repeating an untruth as a deliberate technique. He was taught it by his mentor Roy Cohn and has adopted it relentlessly ever since.

Things like “the election was stolen” and the investigations are a “witch hunt”. Say them often enough and they become accepted, in many minds, as the truth.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
All politicians select what they want to say and ignore what they don’t.

Trump uses repeating an untruth as a deliberate technique. He was taught it by his mentor Roy Cohn and has adopted it relentlessly ever since.

Things like “the election was stolen” and the investigations are a “witch hunt”. Say them often enough and they become accepted, in many minds, as the truth.
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Yes, they all do it. Like Biden claiming to be Irish despite his family being in America since 1850.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Yes, they all do it. Like Biden claiming to be Irish despite his family being in America since 1850.
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A lot of Irish Americans think like that though.

JFK claimed to be Irish too, because of his heritage. They do it to bind the Irish American vote to them.

This is different to the Big Lie technique which involves constant repetition of something that is simply untrue.
 
Glazier#1 said:
Like the Baa Baa Blacksheep concoction that even Kinnock trotted out.

B Johnson and the "50.000 new nurses"

Pet-eating Haiitians.

Thatcher: ‘Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope’.

No, sorry, not a lie that was repeated: nobody believed it in the first place.
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I thought that was good from Mrs T at the time, of course she became completely the opposite.

Integrity from Sunak takes the prize for me, I think all the comments made by an incoming PM on the steps last until they get just inside the door but no further .

😎
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
A lot of Irish Americans think like that though.

JFK claimed to be Irish too, because of his heritage. They do it to bind the Irish American vote to them.

This is different to the Big Lie technique which involves constant repetition of something that is simply untrue.
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Yes they do but that doesn't make it any more true. America is strange like that when they are so patriotic about their country but deny their nationality. Unless their ancestors were English.
 
steeleye20 said:
I thought that was good from Mrs T at the time, of course she became completely the opposite.

Integrity from Sunak takes the prize for me, I think all the comments made by an incoming PM on the steps last until they get just inside the door but no further .

😎
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Yep, you get this waffle from seemingly all leaders when they first come in.....it's like some adviser is in their ear telling them to give a message of unity after the natural sore feelings of your opponent and their supporters' defeat.

It's always a load of old b0llocks and I cringe whenever I hear it: because it's treating people like kids.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
All politicians select what they want to say and ignore what they don’t.

Trump uses repeating an untruth as a deliberate technique. He was taught it by his mentor Roy Cohn and has adopted it relentlessly ever since.

Things like “the election was stolen” and the investigations are a “witch hunt”. Say them often enough and they become accepted, in many minds, as the truth.
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Quite. I believe the Krays claimed the charges against them were a witch-hunt didn't they?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
A lot of Irish Americans think like that though.

JFK claimed to be Irish too, because of his heritage. They do it to bind the Irish American vote to them.

This is different to the Big Lie technique which involves constant repetition of something that is simply untrue.
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A lot of Americans like to cling on to that despite the fact that the Irish are a minor descendency and also a late one. Americans are far more likely to be of English or German descent.
 
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