....but this is at a terrible cost to Europe,Ukraine and democracy.
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In all fairness, he had done quite a bit.
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So was leaving Poland and half of Germany to Stalin.....and that was back when we had an empire and real power with substantial numbers willing to fight for the country.
Also, democracy in Ukraine is debatable.....also in Europe after what happened in Romania.
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A lot of fuss about something he never actually said.
If you are making so much of an of the cuff remark, you don't really have much, do you.
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I don't think Churchill went about stating that his allies had done not been involved.
I honestly don't know why you're defending Vance tbh.
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Another undiplomatic disgraceful comment of utmost disrespect to an allied nation.
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He said he was not referring to British troops 🤷🏻♂️
That's almost 3 minutes of my life watching BBC propaganda that I won't get back 🙄
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It's a bit like spin the bottle each week for the looney woke mob. "What will we be offended by this week"
This week it's Future President Vance.
This week it's Future President Vance.
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He has clarified that he was not specificaly refering to Britain.
One has to ask if some people really want to drive a wedge between Britain and the US. Some really are that stupid.
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It's the same people who want war to continue and the same people who believe men can get pregnant 🤣
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They don't care about the country at all.....in fact a lot of them hold resentment towards it.
Other than what relates specifically to them, all they care about is their ideology.
Wow, your very good with ancient history,this is now and here in other words RELEVANT.
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Fair enough, forget Stalin, there's the rest of the post.
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I defend Vance because I think he's right....which in your opinion makes me one of those highly sought after female body parts.
However it doesn't change the fact that he's right.
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Not one of your best but it was mercifully succinct.
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Now you sound like my missus.
Spindle
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I told you 2:20 in so you could just hear him speak.
What difference does it make if he mentioned Britain or not. Do you know what ISAF was?
International Security Assistance Force - Wikipedia
Why don't you just condemn him for it? It's obvious he's said something s***, or does Vance's s*** not stink for you?
Meanwhile, China just upped their rhetoric, so what were you saying about the peace this diplomacy is bringing? I don't have an issue with his tactics on our adversaries though, it's the treatment of allies that pisses me off.
China says it is ready for 'any type of war' with US
The comments come in response to US tariffs and as Beijing boosts defence spending by 7.2%.
www.bbc.co.uk
Spindle
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Look, you're going to have to be sensible about this kind of language, and more honest. You seem to be labelling anyone that doesn't side with your own particular view as someone that believes in the DEI s***, I'm disappointed but maybe I've made a misjudgement.
I think a Trump voting mate of mine said to me the other night online whilst we were smashing Jerry in our P-38J's that you have 2 types of "Liberal" generally, the majority are "Traditional" and hold many of your beliefs and way forward, and you will agree with on many things, but you are lumping them in with the other lots, the "Progressive" Liberals, those are the screaming Palestine and LGBQT++++++ feminist flag wavers and clueless communist types. Very very different sorts, and without the former Trump wouldn't have got in.
Also, he is quite happy with domestic policy but quite upset by foreign policy, and like I said a couple of weeks back, most of the American people are not believing that Russia are suddenly the good guys because of a couple of tweets.
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This is all just talk. It's politically motivated.I told you 2:20 in so you could just hear him speak.
What difference does it make if he mentioned Britain or not. Do you know what ISAF was?
International Security Assistance Force - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Why don't you just condemn him for it? It's obvious he's said something s***, or does Vance's s*** not stink for you?
Meanwhile, China just upped their rhetoric, so what were you saying about the peace this diplomacy is bringing? I don't have an issue with his tactics on our adversaries though, it's the treatment of allies that pisses me off.
China says it is ready for 'any type of war' with US
The comments come in response to US tariffs and as Beijing boosts defence spending by 7.2%.
What matters is the end result. We want a lasting peaceful solution.
We know what Putin is, and we have to deal with him regardless. We can play politics and squabble amongst ourselves, or we can accept the stark reality.
What is the alternative to negotiating an end to this war? Do you want escalation, or do you just want to score political points?
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I don't know if emotion has the better of you but I slammed Vance for his awful lack of diplomacy, which is what your man here advocates. I also don't agree with the approach of Trump and Vance either, it's way way to hard and fast (in terms of arming Europe) although it looks to have worked. BUT I will also make a point that EU nations have followed US foreign policy, the USA has dictated the cold war and other hot wars up to now and demanded support from European nations, so for the USA to turn around and complain that they are the backstop and Europe is whatever blah blah is disgraceful behaviour, and Vance is a part of that.
And this piece isn't about what I said about Vance today, this only talks about the White House debacle, not what Vance said about allied nations in war.
Be pragmatic at least.