Russell Brand

palace99 said:
Regarding timings, i always found it quite strange how Brand went straight into big Hollywood movies and then went to zero very quickly.
The move into podcasts and right wing conspiracies was IMHO merely to attract big audiences (and therefore money) as he was clearly quite left wing (i remember him taking Farage apart on Question Time in the early 2010s). Essentially he couldn't get any film or TV work so pivoted to another high paying platform.

Now it appears there were issues in Hollywood. I suspect Warner Brothers discreetly blacklisted him after the below.

I suspect the timings is more to do with no big corporations protecting him as they did with Harvey Weinstein etc. The fact that Brand couldn't get one person to give him a character witness speaks volumes IMHO.

www.independent.co.uk

Russell Brand accused of sexually assaulting extra on film set

Woman referred to as ‘Jane Doe’ says alleged incident took place on set of ‘Arthur’ in 2010
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Russell Brand had three character witnesses, his wife and two former girlfriends.

While the point about his acting isn't important I feel required to provide some clarity on that.

There's no evidence of any blacklists. Brand seems to have stepped back from heading Hollywood roles rather than being blacklisted, as he continued in small roles up to a couple of years ago.

As evidence to this....way before any suggestion of a rape court case Brand is on record stating:

  • 2012: Brand publicly said he wanted to take a break from acting because Hollywood films such as Arthur and Rock of Ages left him feeling unfulfilled. He said he wanted to concentrate on stand-up comedy. (The Standard)
    • 2016–2020: He continued to take acting roles, including Trolls, Army of One, Four Kids and It and HBO's Ballers.
    • 2022: He appeared in Death on the Nile, Minions: The Rise of Gru and Catherine Called Birdy.
    • 2023: He voiced a character in the animated film Under the Boardwalk.


 
PalazioVecchio said:
as usual Dan, you are putting your words into my keyboard. When or where did i ever say that ?

i am saying a) that consent is a vague and grey area....especially when two people are already 'at it' to a certain degree. You can be mid-coitus (with consent) and she can decide to change her mind and request that you stop, it does happen. A gentleman would stop, whereas maybe mr Brand wouldnt ?..... and b) that there are many far worse crimes and criminals out there. Dragging a stranger off the street, beating her, raping her a at knifepoint in a dark alleyway ....that deserves a very harsh punishment.

c) there are Jimmy Savile and Pakistani grooming gangs with a far far worse catalogue of crimes. The history of bringing them to justice has been shockingly toothless.

Your simplistic 'black and white' thinking often misses the subtleties of most arguments.
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Him and his mate Saturn like to do that. Best off just muting them.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Russell Brand had three character witnesses, his wife and two former girlfriends.

While the point about his acting isn't important I feel required to provide some clarity on that.

There's no evidence of any blacklists. Brand seems to have stepped back from heading Hollywood roles rather than being blacklisted, as he continued in small roles up to a couple of years ago.

As evidence to this....way before any suggestion of a rape court case Brand is on record stating:

  • 2012: Brand publicly said he wanted to take a break from acting because Hollywood films such as Arthur and Rock of Ages left him feeling unfulfilled. He said he wanted to concentrate on stand-up comedy. (The Standard)
    • 2016–2020: He continued to take acting roles, including Trolls, Army of One, Four Kids and It and HBO's Ballers.
    • 2022: He appeared in Death on the Nile, Minions: The Rise of Gru and Catherine Called Birdy.
    • 2023: He voiced a character in the animated film Under the Boardwalk.

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Most of his movies flopped, he slipped down the pecking order and was a minor voice character in the minions franchise.

Like a lot of Brits he went to Hollywood thinking he would be a big star, it didn't work out for him and he chose not to remain and become a guest star actor on TV shows and movies, which he probably could have made a living at.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Russell Brand had three character witnesses, his wife and two former girlfriends.

While the point about his acting isn't important I feel required to provide some clarity on that.

There's no evidence of any blacklists. Brand seems to have stepped back from heading Hollywood roles rather than being blacklisted, as he continued in small roles up to a couple of years ago.

As evidence to this....way before any suggestion of a rape court case Brand is on record stating:

  • 2012: Brand publicly said he wanted to take a break from acting because Hollywood films such as Arthur and Rock of Ages left him feeling unfulfilled. He said he wanted to concentrate on stand-up comedy. (The Standard)
    • 2016–2020: He continued to take acting roles, including Trolls, Army of One, Four Kids and It and HBO's Ballers.
    • 2022: He appeared in Death on the Nile, Minions: The Rise of Gru and Catherine Called Birdy.
    • 2023: He voiced a character in the animated film Under the Boardwalk.

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you seem overly keen to defend him.

So in 20 years of working in the entertainment industry by his own admission he could not get one character witness - i don't think his wife really counts! As i said earlier, i think that speaks volumes.

Regarding the possible blacklisting - clearly there is no evidence, that's the way it works.
See how Harvey Weinstein blocked certain females who stood up against him - look at Rosanna Arquette's career. Massive in mid to late 80s. Carried on working for the next 2 decades but on much smaller productions as the big players wouldn't touch her. Seems similar to Brand, regardless of what he might have said.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
as usual Dan, you are putting your words into my keyboard. When or where did i ever say that ?

i am saying a) that consent is a vague and grey area....especially when two people are already 'at it' to a certain degree. You can be mid-coitus (with consent) and she can decide to change her mind and request that you stop, it does happen. A gentleman would stop, whereas maybe mr Brand wouldnt ?..... and b) that there are many far worse crimes and criminals out there. Dragging a stranger off the street, beating her, raping her a at knifepoint in a dark alleyway ....that deserves a very harsh punishment.

c) there are Jimmy Savile and Pakistani grooming gangs with a far far worse catalogue of crimes. The history of bringing them to justice has been shockingly toothless.

Your simplistic 'black and white' thinking often misses the subtleties of most arguments.
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You realise a) is literally black and white rape, don’t you?

If you were ‘mid coitus (with consent)’ and she put on a strap on and entered you up the Jacksie (without consent) what would you say it was, eagle?
 
Badger11 said:
Most of his movies flopped, he slipped down the pecking order and was a minor voice character in the minions franchise.

Like a lot of Brits he went to Hollywood thinking he would be a big star, it didn't work out for him and he chose not to remain and become a guest star actor on TV shows and movies, which he probably could have made a living at.
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sorry isn't that exactly what he did do - he took smaller film roles and appeared as a guest star on the TV show Ballers, for two seasons!

If he walked away i would have understood it, but he didn't. He just couldn't get any decent roles - possibly due to his limited acting ability or possibly due to a rape allegation whilst on set.
 
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