Russell Brand

[Nicholas91]

Yes we do agree on a lot.

Brand must have shagged thousands of women, and no doubt he was a complete entitled arse.....the guy who did that prank call on Andrew Sachs...by all accounts a real nice guy....was an arsehole.

It's not about his politics for me.....I know someone like Brand is against people like me.

It's purely on the principle of locking someone up over recollection testimony about how someone and no doubt others feel about sexual encourters near twenty and sometimes more years ago.

It's not enough for me.....I don't regard him as an actual rapist. I regard him as someone the establishment have chosen to persecute because the cultural norms changed.

Brand must have had loads of women with regret sex, most of them throwing themselves at him.....loose sexual morals like him, it only takes a fraction of them to turn this into a court case......Do I think that worthy of locking a family man up for ten years....Nope.

No one has shown me anything that would convince me that lies aren't involved here.....It could have happened like that, and it maybe didn't.

I'm not convinced by this.

I don't post on N&P or anything non-Palace too often if at all these days but this has my attention, mainly as I have met Russell Brand and he actually somehow got a hold of my phone number circa 12 years ago.

I thought he was weird, odd, bizarre etc. with an important caveat here - almost directly opposed to his on-screen persona. Was very aloof, daydreamy, womanly and almost childishly strange (OK those two are more aligned to his celebrity persona). He comes across as almost timid and frail.

I am fully inclined to believe he has had many sexual experiences, and therefore a higher chance he has strayed into that which can be categorised as criminal. A strange young man with an almost free run on women, hardly difficult to imagine there's a lot of truth here. It could also very well be far worse than 'the common man' could imagine. We won't ever really have the celebrity access to women in that volume, the departure from reality as a celebrity or any other experience to compare. You just can't know what that does to a person, let alone a former addict, and thus what they might be capable of.

What I find interesting is this coming not long after he started talking far too much about far too much. COVID, Politics, 'big pharma' etc. It's a conspiracy theory for sure but not one that's hard to put some stock into.

The convictions may well be a drop in the ocean quite frankly, but I just find the witchhunt and timing somewhat suspicious.

 

[ASCPFC]

I'm not convinced by this.

I don't post on N&P too often if at all these days but this has my attention, mainly as I have met Russell Brand and he actually somehow got a hold of my phone number circa 12 years ago.

I thought he was weird, odd, bizarre etc. with an important caveat here - almost directly opposed to his on-screen persona. Was very aloof, daydreamy, womanly and almost childishly strange (OK those two are more aligned to his celebrity persona). He comes across as almost timid and frail.

I am fully inclined to believe he has had many sexual experiences, and therefore a higher chance he has strayed into that which can be categorised as criminal. A strange young man with an almost free run on women, hardly difficult to imagine there's a lot of truth here. It could also very well be far worse than 'the common man' could imagine. We won't ever really have the celebrity access to women in that volume, the departure from reality as a celebrity or any other experience to compare. You just can't know what that does to a person, let alone a former addict, and thus what they might be capable of.

What I find interesting is this coming not long after he started talking far too much about far too much. COVID, Politics, 'big pharma' etc. It's a conspiracy theory for sure but not one that's hard to put some stock into.

The convictions may well be a drop in the ocean quite frankly, but I just find the witchhunt and timing somewhat suspicious.

I met him and my family and dog also. He was friendly and decidedly normal enough. It seemed to be around the time your saying. Honestly, I thought he was quite nice for a celebrity. My son even pranked him and he took it well.

However, me meeting him and thinking he was ok, has nothing to do with whether he did any of these things or not. I have no idea of the truth except for the verdict.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Russell Brand committed his crimes against women. ie. adults. And largely in the privacy of bedrooms or other places where predator & victim found themselves - presumably often both naked prior to any wrongdoing ? reminds me of Harvey Weinstein.....bedroom crimes against naked women.

and in other news, how are Huw Edwards & Phillip Schofield getting on with their new careers ?

and in other other news, i wonder how Rolf Harris covered up his paedo-crimes for so long ?

 

[DanH]

Russell Brand committed his crimes against women. ie. adults. And largely in the privacy of bedrooms or other places where predator & victim found themselves - presumably often both naked prior to any wrongdoing ? reminds me of Harvey Weinstein.....bedroom crimes against naked women.

and in other news, how are Huw Edwards & Phillip Schofield getting on with their new careers ?

and in other other news, i wonder how Rolf Harris covered up his paedo-crimes for so long ?

So rape can’t happen in these circumstances, eagle?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

If any of these victims try for compo from brands wallet would that be ok with you?
If their moral compass was to protect others and do this for the alleged others involved that should be it really don’t you think !

It wouldn't matter - it would not change the fact that Brand is a rapist.

You’re also just inventing your own motive and moral compass for these women.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

So rape can’t happen in these circumstances, eagle?

Scary init.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

I would think, according to media reports, a significant amount of funds will be diverted from hidden sources, to pay for 'protection' in jail.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

So rape can’t happen in these circumstances, eagle?

as usual Dan, you are putting your words into my keyboard. When or where did i ever say that ?

i am saying a) that consent is a vague and grey area....especially when two people are already 'at it' to a certain degree. You can be mid-coitus (with consent) and she can decide to change her mind and request that you stop, it does happen. A gentleman would stop, whereas maybe mr Brand wouldnt ?..... and b) that there are many far worse crimes and criminals out there. Dragging a stranger off the street, beating her, raping her a at knifepoint in a dark alleyway ....that deserves a very harsh punishment.

c) there are Jimmy Savile and Pakistani grooming gangs with a far far worse catalogue of crimes. The history of bringing them to justice has been shockingly toothless.

Your simplistic 'black and white' thinking often misses the subtleties of most arguments.

 

[Mystic Smeg]

Suppose Brand and his beloved West Ham will both be remembered for going down in 2026

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Suppose Brand and his beloved West Ham will both be remembered for going down in 2026

He had a book out of his collected West Ham columns written for (who else?) The Guardian.

Guardian's Rank History-Rewriting Russell Brand Hypocrisy

Today’s Guardian finds it astonishing that Russell Brand, convicted of one count of rape and three sexual assaults yesterday, was “embraced as a serious

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[Stirlingsays]

I'm not convinced by this.

I don't post on N&P or anything non-Palace too often if at all these days but this has my attention, mainly as I have met Russell Brand and he actually somehow got a hold of my phone number circa 12 years ago.

I thought he was weird, odd, bizarre etc. with an important caveat here - almost directly opposed to his on-screen persona. Was very aloof, daydreamy, womanly and almost childishly strange (OK those two are more aligned to his celebrity persona). He comes across as almost timid and frail.

This sounds right when you compare Brand to his presenting or stand up.....when he's focused on comedy. The childish enthusiasm and energy was a particular notable.

However, while I wouldn't call myself a fan, I am an appreciater of serious talent in whatever field and I always try to give that person their due. So because Brand is somewhat of an outlier and eccentric I've followed him somewhat over the years even though he isn't similar to me politically and even against my ideas. The kind of tolerance the 'progressive' left talk about but mostly don't have.

The Brand you refer to here isn't the Brand you'd see since he went onto social media. The Brand that 'Brand' presents today doesn't have that same energy but still is daydreamy (though with a sharp mind) but far less confident and arrogant.....Some say that's a deliberate show but maybe it isn't.....Who's to say....cynics are two a penny and are often just as wrong as they are right.

I am fully inclined to believe he has had many sexual experiences, and therefore a higher chance he has strayed into that which can be categorised as criminal. A strange young man with an almost free run on women, hardly difficult to imagine there's a lot of truth here. It could also very well be far worse than 'the common man' could imagine. We won't ever really have the celebrity access to women in that volume, the departure from reality as a celebrity or any other experience to compare. You just can't know what that does to a person, let alone a former addict, and thus what they might be capable of.

I think Brand definitely had sex addiction and combined with being an arsehole with access to thousands of women throwing themselves at him the result was for all to see until he jacked it in and settled down.

We can compare the access Brand had to rock and pop stars and famous celebrities. Stars banging groupies and hanger-ons has always happened and the trail of unhappy female wreckage and regret sex must be legion. It's only today that a price is being exacted.....for those that the establishment decides to focus on.

What I find interesting is this coming not long after he started talking far too much about far too much. COVID, Politics, 'big pharma' etc. It's a conspiracy theory for sure but not one that's hard to put some stock into.

The convictions may well be a drop in the ocean quite frankly, but I just find the witchhunt and timing somewhat suspicious.

I wonder how people will react when the next person up for this new puritan sexual hindsight is someone they actually like......Will that happen? Probably not, because as you imply there's a big reason that this is Brand getting ten years and not Mick Jagger or Ringo Starr or any of the countless others who no doubt have silence orders in operation.

It's very unlikely to be someone popular with the establishment, just critics of the establishment or throw aways.

There are a lot of other negative consequences that will be exacerbated from this, not that the 'decline and western death cult' that is the progressive left will give a damn about that.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

^^^^ Stirling

Or indeed the Establishment, who continue to protect Andrew, Epstein files persons of interest and gangs of Asian paedo rapists,

 

[Teddy Eagle]

This sounds right when you compare Brand to his presenting or stand up.....when he's focused on comedy. The childish enthusiasm and energy was a particular notable.

However, while I wouldn't call myself a fan, I am an appreciater of serious talent in whatever field and I always try to give that person their due. So because Brand is somewhat of an outlier and eccentric I've followed him somewhat over the years even though he isn't similar to me politically and even against my ideas. The kind of tolerance the 'progressive' left talk about but mostly don't have.

The Brand you refer to here isn't the Brand you'd see since he went onto social media. The Brand that 'Brand' presents today doesn't have that same energy but still is daydreamy (though with a sharp mind) but far less confident and arrogant.....Some say that's a deliberate show but maybe it isn't.....Who's to say....cynics are two a penny and are often just as wrong as they are right.




I think Brand definitely had sex addiction and combined with being an arsehole with access to thousands of women throwing themselves at him the result was for all to see until he jacked it in and settled down.

We can compare the access Brand had to rock and pop stars and famous celebrities. Start banging groupies and hanger-ons has always happened and the trail of unhappy female wreckage and regret sex must be legion. It's only today that a price is being exacted.....for those that the establishment decides to focus on.



I wonder how people will react when the next person up for this new puritan sexual hindsight is someone they actually like......Will that happen? Probably not, because as you imply there's a big reason that this is Brand getting ten years and not Mick Jagger or Ringo Starr or any of the countless others who no doubt have silence orders in operation.

There are a lot of other negative consequences that will be exacerbated from this, not that the 'decline and western death cult' that is the progressive left will give a damn about that.

There will be a lot of older stars feeling anxious - it's not as though they were checking id.
Bill Wyman & Jimmy Page?

 

[Stirlingsays]

as usual Dan, you are putting your words into my keyboard. When or where did i ever say that ?

i am saying a) that consent is a vague and grey area....especially when two people are already 'at it' to a certain degree. You can be mid-coitus (with consent) and she can decide to change her mind and request that you stop, it does happen. A gentleman would stop, whereas maybe mr Brand wouldnt ?..... and b) that there are many far worse crimes and criminals out there. Dragging a stranger off the street, beating her, raping her a at knifepoint in a dark alleyway ....that deserves a very harsh punishment.

c) there are Jimmy Savile and Pakistani grooming gangs with a far far worse catalogue of crimes. The history of bringing them to justice has been shockingly toothless.

Your simplistic 'black and white' thinking often misses the subtleties of most arguments.

Some years back I remember a Tory minister or maybe he was in opposition at the time, Kenneth Clark trying to talk some sense on the scale within horrible crimes like rape. As you'd expect with the modern media and the left wing media in general the reaction to him was of horror and shock offence that was as performative as it was low IQ.

These aren't nice things to talk about but within today's infantilised and feminine society you are made to appear as an apologist for horrible things if you try to address them like an adult.

They only want condemnation and mob-like behaviour. Don't get me wrong there is a place for both of those at appropriate times. However, the fact is that you can't have any nunaced adult conversations anymore without the morons shouting at you that you're condoning or excusing something awful.

Just part of the idiocracy.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

The continued conflation of ‘regret sex’ and rape is incredibly, incredibly grim.

There are no doubt hundreds of women who regret their encounters with Brand - he’s not being convicted for any of those. He’s being convicted for raping someone.


The idea that the ‘establishment’ are behind an orchestrated takedown of Russell fuckin Brand is very amusing.

 

[palace99]

I'm not convinced by this.

I don't post on N&P or anything non-Palace too often if at all these days but this has my attention, mainly as I have met Russell Brand and he actually somehow got a hold of my phone number circa 12 years ago.

I thought he was weird, odd, bizarre etc. with an important caveat here - almost directly opposed to his on-screen persona. Was very aloof, daydreamy, womanly and almost childishly strange (OK those two are more aligned to his celebrity persona). He comes across as almost timid and frail.

I am fully inclined to believe he has had many sexual experiences, and therefore a higher chance he has strayed into that which can be categorised as criminal. A strange young man with an almost free run on women, hardly difficult to imagine there's a lot of truth here. It could also very well be far worse than 'the common man' could imagine. We won't ever really have the celebrity access to women in that volume, the departure from reality as a celebrity or any other experience to compare. You just can't know what that does to a person, let alone a former addict, and thus what they might be capable of.

What I find interesting is this coming not long after he started talking far too much about far too much. COVID, Politics, 'big pharma' etc. It's a conspiracy theory for sure but not one that's hard to put some stock into.

The convictions may well be a drop in the ocean quite frankly, but I just find the witchhunt and timing somewhat suspicious.

Regarding timings, i always found it quite strange how Brand went straight into big Hollywood movies and then went to zero very quickly.
The move into podcasts and right wing conspiracies was IMHO merely to attract big audiences (and therefore money) as he was clearly quite left wing (i remember him taking Farage apart on Question Time in the early 2010s). Essentially he couldn't get any film or TV work so pivoted to another high paying platform.

Now it appears there were issues in Hollywood. I suspect Warner Brothers discreetly blacklisted him after the below.

I suspect the timings is more to do with no big corporations protecting him as they did with Harvey Weinstein etc. The fact that Brand couldn't get one person to give him a character witness speaks volumes IMHO.

Russell Brand accused of sexually assaulting extra on film set

Woman referred to as ‘Jane Doe’ says alleged incident took place on set of ‘Arthur’ in 2010

www.independent.co.uk

 

[palace99]

The continued conflation of ‘regret sex’ and rape is incredibly, incredibly grim.

There are no doubt hundreds of women who regret their encounters with Brand - he’s not being convicted for any of those. He’s being convicted for raping someone.


The idea that the ‘establishment’ are behind an orchestrated takedown of Russell fuckin Brand is very amusing.

David Walliams named as celebrity who tried to block publication of sexual misconduct allegations - live updates

ITV News and the Guardian report allegations he preyed on teenage girls and young women. Walliams denies the claims but acknowledges "at times I behaved thoughtlessly towards other people I had casual sexual relationships with".

www.bbc.co.uk

Are the establishment now going after David Walliams or is it merely that he has been a bit creepy for years and has abused his fame and power, and now it is coming back to bite him?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

David Walliams named as celebrity who tried to block publication of sexual misconduct allegations - live updates

ITV News and the Guardian report allegations he preyed on teenage girls and young women. Walliams denies the claims but acknowledges "at times I behaved thoughtlessly towards other people I had casual sexual relationships with".

www.bbc.co.uk

Are the establishment now going after David Walliams or is it merely that he has been a bit creepy for years and has abused his fame and power, and now it is coming back to bite him?

Depends what his views were on Covid I guess.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

We can compare the access Brand had to rock and pop stars and famous celebrities. Stars banging groupies and hanger-ons has always happened and the trail of unhappy female wreckage and regret sex must be legion. It's only today that a price is being exacted.....for those that the establishment decides to focus on.

i recall reading a shocking back-catalogue of one of the Beatles.

And everybody knows the story of Rolling Stone Bill Wyman and the under-age Mandy Smith. She was 13. He ended up marrying her. Then they got divorced after 23 months - they didnt have kids together.

Also Wyman's son, 30, married Mandy's mum, 46. Divorced 2 years later.

A simple question : how much jailtime would Wyman have got ? if the Smith family decided to press charges ?

 

[steeleye20]

There will be an epedemic of rape claims now, encouraged by this case (note that two were false).

Anybody can have a rape claim made against them, it can destroy your life and you can be completely innocent.

It's about the only legal area which doesn't depernd upon actual proof, but it is also opening a Pandora's box of blackmail, extortion lies and god knows what.

Celebrities are food and drink, David Williams today.

I have not heard anything about an appeal yet, his defence team were so bad, they may have dumped him completely like everybody else.

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