Sage in or out

Sage in or out

  • In

    Votes: 106 36.4%

  • Out

    Votes: 138 47.4%

  • Sit on the fence

    Votes: 47 16.2%
  • Total voters
    291
TheBigToePunt said:
How do you define 'backing'? The club plainly spends everything it can on players, hence the constant rubbing up against FFP limits.

Whether they've spent it wisely recently is another matter.
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There’s currently 17 clubs above us managing their FPP limits , Maybe the sale prices the club achieved for our best players against the cost of the poor replacements need to be looked at .
Pino excepted , excellent player .
 
Just put this on the match thread, but more appropriate here.

I do get the impression that the players still want it to work for Sage, and Deano was very positive about him in the press conference. However he might be a nice bloke, and they see positives in training, it is simply not working on the pitch.
He is either an unlucky omen, or just simply out of his depth.
Personally I think it is a mixture of both.
We do not have the players to keep going with this 3 at the back so bloody change the system and make it harder for the opposition to score.
 
Posting this here rather than in the match thread.

Genuine question for all the Sage-in supporters. Can somebody honestly explain something to me?

Putting aside the fact that recruitment hasn’t been particularly strong, why do we persist with exactly the same system, game after game, when it so clearly isn’t working?

Look at Hoffenheim. They managed to go from one end of the pitch to the other almost unchallenged. Our full-backs are too high, our defenders dive in, and enormous gaps open up behind them. We’ve all identified this as a problem, yet somehow our esteemed French coach apparently hasn’t.

Surely the first thing you do when you haven’t got the players to execute your preferred system is make yourselves difficult to beat? Lock it down. Keep your shape. Perhaps, as a revolutionary tactical innovation, try not conceding in the first 20 minutes.

Instead, we go hell for leather up the pitch, lose possession and ten seconds later we’re picking the ball out of our own net. And it’s hardly an isolated incident.

The alternative isn’t much better. When we do sit deeper, any opposition free kick around our box becomes an invitation to score. Our back post is more welcoming than the average brothel.

So this is my genuine question to those who still support Sage.

If you haven’t got the tools at your disposal to play fast, expansive football, why are you insisting on doing it? Why are the full-backs constantly pushed so high? Why persist with zonal marking when we clearly can’t execute it? And why, when the same defensive problems occur every single week, does absolutely nothing change?

Surely the first priority is to stop conceding goals?

I genuinely don’t think Sage knows how to set a team up to shut a game down. He appears to have one approach, and if it doesn’t work, the solution is simply to try it again.

We’re making a side sitting 12th in the German league, and with no disrespect to German football, look like prime Brazil at times. The uncomfortable truth is that some of the points we’ve picked up this season have owed considerably more to the opposition being bloody awful than anything we’ve done particularly well.

For me, this experiment has failed.

The only reason I wouldn’t make a change immediately is that I wouldn’t particularly fancy throwing a new manager into Sunday’s game against Liverpool. Frankly, I can see them putting seven or eight past us if we approach it in the same way.

There is, however, one saving grace.

I’ve been betting on Palace to concede inside the first ten minutes for the last ten games, and financially speaking, Sage is proving to be one of the finest managers I’ve ever encountered.
 
Paul Salvage said:
Just put this on the match thread, but more appropriate here.

I do get the impression that the players still want it to work for Sage, and Deano was very positive about him in the press conference. However he might be a nice bloke, and they see positives in training, it is simply not working on the pitch.
He is either an unlucky omen, or just simply out of his depth.
Personally I think it is a mixture of both.
We do not have the players to keep going with this 3 at the back so bloody change the system and make it harder for the opposition to score.
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This appears to be the case. I don't detect any sulking or downing of tools, but in a way that makes it worse. They are trying thier hardest and Sage's approach still doesn't even remotely look like working.
 
Nutmegyeti said:
Posting this here rather than in the match thread.

Genuine question for all the Sage-in supporters. Can somebody honestly explain something to me?

Putting aside the fact that recruitment hasn’t been particularly strong, why do we persist with exactly the same system, game after game, when it so clearly isn’t working?

Look at Hoffenheim. They managed to go from one end of the pitch to the other almost unchallenged. Our full-backs are too high, our defenders dive in, and enormous gaps open up behind them. We’ve all identified this as a problem, yet somehow our esteemed French coach apparently hasn’t.

Surely the first thing you do when you haven’t got the players to execute your preferred system is make yourselves difficult to beat? Lock it down. Keep your shape. Perhaps, as a revolutionary tactical innovation, try not conceding in the first 20 minutes.

Instead, we go hell for leather up the pitch, lose possession and ten seconds later we’re picking the ball out of our own net. And it’s hardly an isolated incident.

The alternative isn’t much better. When we do sit deeper, any opposition free kick around our box becomes an invitation to score. Our back post is more welcoming than the average brothel.

So this is my genuine question to those who still support Sage.

If you haven’t got the tools at your disposal to play fast, expansive football, why are you insisting on doing it? Why are the full-backs constantly pushed so high? Why persist with zonal marking when we clearly can’t execute it? And why, when the same defensive problems occur every single week, does absolutely nothing change?

Surely the first priority is to stop conceding goals?

I genuinely don’t think Sage knows how to set a team up to shut a game down. He appears to have one approach, and if it doesn’t work, the solution is simply to try it again.

We’re making a side sitting 12th in the German league, and with no disrespect to German football, look like prime Brazil at times. The uncomfortable truth is that some of the points we’ve picked up this season have owed considerably more to the opposition being bloody awful than anything we’ve done particularly well.

For me, this experiment has failed.

The only reason I wouldn’t make a change immediately is that I wouldn’t particularly fancy throwing a new manager into Sunday’s game against Liverpool. Frankly, I can see them putting seven or eight past us if we approach it in the same way.

There is, however, one saving grace.

I’ve been betting on Palace to concede inside the first ten minutes for the last ten games, and financially speaking, Sage is proving to be one of the finest managers I’ve ever encountered.
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I agree with your points, apart from not getting rid before Liverpool.
If he stays then it could be a hatful, with a fan revolt in the offing.
I would get rid tonight ( even consider half time) and put anybody else in as a temporary manager. (Probably McCarthy) insist they don’t play 3 at the back and try to minimise the defeat.
That way we would give ourselves some breathing space to replace him, whilst not putting pressure on a new manager, assuming we have someone lined up.
 
JHB said:
No because we can’t afford to. We have one of the smallest revenues in the Premier League and we are subject to stricter financial rules due to playing in Europe.
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That’s why it’s better to keep the best players and manager you have rather than selling cheaply and vastly overspending on poor replacements .
The best moment in our club history could have been a springboard to more success including a redeveloped ground but I do feel that moment has been spurned .
 
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Lyon are looking for a new manager and Lens might be looking too soon after being battered 1-9 by Como. Both clubs adore Sage. For whatever reason(s) it doesnt seem to working out for him here. Maybe we can save ourselves a pay off if they want him back.

It wasnt great tonight and i fear for us against Liverpool if he picks that defence against them. No idea whats happened with Disasi today but all the red cards point to a frustrated camp dont they.
 
elgin eeagle said:
Lyon are looking for a new manager and Lens might be looking too soon after being battered 1-9 by Como. Both clubs adore Sage. For whatever reason(s) it doesnt seem to working out for him here. Maybe we can save ourselves a pay off if they want him back.

It wasnt great tonight and i fear for us against Liverpool if he picks that defence against them. No idea whats happened with Disasi today but all the red cards point to a frustrated camp dont they.
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The red cards just indicate individual players feeling hopelessly exposed in a system that does not work with this squad, to they end up doing something stupid in desperation
 
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