Israel v Hamas

CPFCSaturn said:
The amount you talk about other posters is really, really weird - very lonely, insecure vibes.

Am I supposed to start a thread about every atrocity in the world before I'm allowed to comment on others? Sudan is indeed one of many humanitarian catastrophe that deserves more attention; that doesn't make criticism of Israeli atrocities any less valid, nor does it make me personally responsible for ensuring every conflict gets equal airtime on a politics forum.

It's also just really obvious why Israel gets more attention in Britain than Sudan; Israel is a close ally of Britain and the US, receives Western military and diplomatic support, and has a direct relationship with our own foreign policy. Clearly what Israel does and how our government responds is far more relevant to British politics than what Sudan does.

We also don't have swathes of our media and political class who have spent years lying and distorting the facts to justify Sudanese war crimes, as they have with with Israel. A thread on Sudanese war crimes I'd presume would be unanimous condemnation of the atrocities... somehow when it comes to Israeli war crimes, that's not the case.
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Israel gets more news coverage then Africa because people will rage watch Israel news coverage while Africans killing Africans doesn't move the needle in regards to viewers.

Western countries aren't providing support in Sudan because both sides of the conflict are awful people and there is no win in it for any Western nation. Western Nations have woken up to the reality that not all places want them and that they don't need to solve everyone else's problems, especially when those nations will hate them for doing so.

The issue with Israeli condemnation is that it has existed since they become a nation and well before they took control of Gaza. Because decades have passed where they were accused of things that they didn't do, the crying wolf made it so that when the Israelis actually did do naughty things, it was washed out so people didn't care anymore. It is very much like Trump, people just get bored with accusations and hearing about them so that they just tune it out to them eventually.

The UNSC passed Resolution 1593 two decades ago, which gave the ICC the authorization to look into Sudanese war crimes. The UNSC has not done so for Israel, so the ICC doesn't have the authority to go after them which is why the US has since smacked the ICC in the peepee.
 
Mark B said:
Israel gets more news coverage then Africa because people will rage watch Israel news coverage while Africans killing Africans doesn't move the needle in regards to viewers.

Western countries aren't providing support in Sudan because both sides of the conflict are awful people and there is no win in it for any Western nation. Western Nations have woken up to the reality that not all places want them and that they don't need to solve everyone else's problems, especially when those nations will hate them for doing so.

The issue with Israeli condemnation is that it has existed since they become a nation and well before they took control of Gaza. Because decades have passed where they were accused of things that they didn't do, the crying wolf made it so that when the Israelis actually did do naughty things, it was washed out so people didn't care anymore. It is very much like Trump, people just get bored with accusations and hearing about them so that they just tune it out to them eventually.

The UNSC passed Resolution 1593 two decades ago, which gave the ICC the authorization to look into Sudanese war crimes. The UNSC has not done so for Israel, so the ICC doesn't have the authority to go after them which is why the US has since smacked the ICC in the peepee.
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I think Israel gets more coverage for the reasons I mentioned.

I don't agree with your 'crying wolf' analogy neither in terms of Israel nor Trump - both Israel and Trump's popularity have dropped considerably in recent years, so people certainly do seem to care.

Of course there are supporters of all causes who are not receptive to any criticism or new information, but on average, both Israel and Trump are considerably less popular than they have been.
 
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CPFCSaturn said:
I think Israel gets more coverage for the reasons I mentioned.

I don't agree with your 'crying wolf' analogy neither in terms of Israel nor Trump - both Israel and Trump's popularity have dropped considerably in recent years, so people certainly do seem to care.

Of course there are supporters of all causes who are not receptive to any criticism or new information, but on average, both Israel and Trump are considerably less popular than they have been.
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Its what he said though, you don't give a s*** about it, you aren't interested, and the millions of genocide anti Jew obsessed virtue signalling lefties like you aren't clicking those articles. Because of that they sink in coverage. But as you've lectured us before, is a life a life because of geography?

Btw, Iran are fingers deep in Sudan, as are their pals in Pakistan, just as they are with the Gazans. But who cares? It wasn't a Jew bomb was it.
 
Spindle said:
Its what he said though, you don't give a s*** about it, you aren't interested, and the millions of genocide anti Jew obsessed virtue signalling lefties like you aren't clicking those articles. Because of that they sink in coverage. But as you've lectured us before, is a life a life because of geography?

Btw, Iran are fingers deep in Sudan, as are their pals in Pakistan, just as they are with the Gazans. But who cares? It wasn't a Jew bomb was it.
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And I've explained why there is less interest in more 'foreign' atrocities around the world - we can debate the rights and wrongs of that reality if you want, or you can just pretend it's because everyone hates Jews.
 
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Spindle said:
Its what he said though, you don't give a s*** about it, you aren't interested, and the millions of genocide anti Jew obsessed virtue signalling lefties like you aren't clicking those articles. Because of that they sink in coverage. But as you've lectured us before, is a life a life because of geography?

Btw, Iran are fingers deep in Sudan, as are their pals in Pakistan, just as they are with the Gazans. But who cares? It wasn't a Jew bomb was it.
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Are you implying the jew haters are less interested when the deaths are not caused by the IDF, well shame on you.
 
Why do you think we hear more about riots in France than riots in the Central African Republic? Why do you hear more about elections in the US than elections in Indonesia? Why do British media give more attention to economic developments in Germany than economic developments in Bolivia? Why do we hear more about political developments in the EU than political developments in the African Union?


It’s hardly a mystery.
 
Spindle said:
The mystery is why do we care so so much about these Gazan killers?

You're being played
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I don't care about Gazan killers - I care about the tens of thousands of women, children and innocents who have been killed alongside them.

And as explained, there is no mystery - when it's a Western ally committing the atrocities, it obviously attracts more attention.
 
Mark B said:
Israel gets more news coverage then Africa because people will rage watch Israel news coverage while Africans killing Africans doesn't move the needle in regards to viewers.

Western countries aren't providing support in Sudan because both sides of the conflict are awful people and there is no win in it for any Western nation. Western Nations have woken up to the reality that not all places want them and that they don't need to solve everyone else's problems, especially when those nations will hate them for doing so.

The issue with Israeli condemnation is that it has existed since they become a nation and well before they took control of Gaza. Because decades have passed where they were accused of things that they didn't do, the crying wolf made it so that when the Israelis actually did do naughty things, it was washed out so people didn't care anymore. It is very much like Trump, people just get bored with accusations and hearing about them so that they just tune it out to them eventually.

The UNSC passed Resolution 1593 two decades ago, which gave the ICC the authorization to look into Sudanese war crimes. The UNSC has not done so for Israel, so the ICC doesn't have the authority to go after them which is why the US has since smacked the ICC in the peepee.
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A lot of substance in this.

Also, a great deal of anxiety in the West stems from imperial guilt.

South Africa was a pariah state for decades due to apartheid including a constant vigil outside the Embassy, sporting and other cultural bans and songs by Peter Gabriel and The Specials. However, if you checked the Amnesty/UN league table of awful African nations during that period, I bet you will find that country hovering around the mid-table mark. Thus, was there ever a vigil outside complete basket case nations like Liberia? And why not any condemnation now?

Accordingly, I wonder how much of the attention Israel historically received was based on importing those prejudices to attack strong Europeans v weak "defenseless" developing nationals?

Of course, in recent decades Israel has actually grown into its international ass hole status and deserve much of the attack they receive.
 
Mark B said:
Israel gets more news coverage then Africa because people will rage watch Israel news coverage while Africans killing Africans doesn't move the needle in regards to viewers.

Western countries aren't providing support in Sudan because both sides of the conflict are awful people and there is no win in it for any Western nation. Western Nations have woken up to the reality that not all places want them and that they don't need to solve everyone else's problems, especially when those nations will hate them for doing so.

The issue with Israeli condemnation is that it has existed since they become a nation and well before they took control of Gaza. Because decades have passed where they were accused of things that they didn't do, the crying wolf made it so that when the Israelis actually did do naughty things, it was washed out so people didn't care anymore. It is very much like Trump, people just get bored with accusations and hearing about them so that they just tune it out to them eventually.

The UNSC passed Resolution 1593 two decades ago, which gave the ICC the authorization to look into Sudanese war crimes. The UNSC has not done so for Israel, so the ICC doesn't have the authority to go after them which is why the US has since smacked the ICC in the peepee.
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General Gordon did his best.
 
chris123 said:
General Gordon did his best.
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Chinese Gordon did try. That Lord Kitchener went to the Mahdi's tomb, took his head as a trophy and reportedly drank out of the skull is one of the better reminders of why messing with the United Kingdom was once not a healthy thing to do.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
I don't care about Gazan killers - I care about the tens of thousands of women, children and innocents who have been killed alongside them.

And as explained, there is no mystery - when it's a Western ally committing the atrocities, it obviously attracts more attention.
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Well you should, because all along they are the cause.

You've been played
 
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