Have the left lost their Political credibility ?

I changed it because I thought of something better.

You lefties are so sensitive
 
Red Dwarf covered it too, albeit a holy war, about whether hats in a doughnut shop were to be red or blue (or something along those lines).

There's a very passionate lefty at work. Let me pause on that sentence because it contradicts what I just said in previous post. He's badged himself that. Or society has. Or the media has. He knows I am one of those 'evil' people that votes Reform (at the moment) but we sit and debate and recognise that we both want the same things. Who actually WANTS people in the world suffering poverty, dying in wars or missing out on much needed healthcare (for example)? I've not really met anyone that does. Not on here, not anywhere else. What we disagree on is the semantics of how those things are avoided. I generally think we all want the same utopia but don't agree on how that could be achieved. I generally try to remember that when I debate on here (actually, I mostly avoid this section of the forum, but I appreciate I have clumsily waded into a few debates and not managed this very well).

But I suppose it's entertaining if Palace aren't winning trophies for a few weeks!

I have said this many a time, but if I see someone on the street in a Palace shirt I will say "up the Palace" to them and be happy I saw them. I don't care what political opinions they hold.
But would you get more excited if the Palace shirt had Mitchell on the back, Khillali on the back, or Richards on the back. This is the ultimate test of whether you're predominantly left, right or centre leaning. It's foolproof.
Oh, and if it's got Part Time James on the back you have no interest in politics and are simply a narcsissist.
 
But would you get more excited if the Palace shirt had Mitchell on the back, Khillali on the back, or Richards on the back. This is the ultimate test of whether you're predominantly left, right or centre leaning. It's foolproof.
Oh, and if it's got Part Time James on the back you have no interest in politics and are simply a narcsissist.
Definitely in the narcissist camp, hence my long self indulgent post!
 
Define "left".

If you are talking left as my generation knew it, this does exist but in disguised form.

If you are talking identitarian progressive politics, this is very strong at present. My generation hates it, but capitalism has embraced it and cancel culture wipes out any resistance save the populist right which still treads very carefully in its attack on "woke".

The young are born into this progressive and do not see the Emperor's New Clothes aspect to it. I know the view of some on here of my politics, but my children think I am a reactionary, racist bigot!

So what exactly is the left and what do you think they have lost?
 
Define "left".

If you are talking left as my generation knew it, this does exist but in disguised form.

If you are talking identitarian progressive politics, this is very strong at present. My generation hates it, but capitalism has embraced it and cancel culture wipes out any resistance save the populist right which still treads very carefully in its attack on "woke".

The young are born into this progressive and do not see the Emperor's New Clothes aspect to it. I know the view of some on here of my politics, but my children think I am a reactionary, racist bigot!

So what exactly is the left and what do you think they have lost?
This is EXACTLY where I am at in the current political smorgasboard.

Im old left, being involved with the Union movement and considered deplorable right-wing by my blue-haired niece 😅

It is a minefield. Where to tread?
 
It's not really Left v Right anymore, it's rather Insanity v Sanity.
 
But would you get more excited if the Palace shirt had Mitchell on the back, Khillali on the back, or Richards on the back. This is the ultimate test of whether you're predominantly left, right or centre leaning. It's foolproof.
Oh, and if it's got Part Time James on the back you have no interest in politics and are simply a narcsissist.

Here's the problem PTJ, if you open up a little more honestly, hand over an olive branch or greeting, the lefties just see an attack opportunity. Inside the outspoken ones are just like this one, bitter and accusationary.
 
This is EXACTLY where I am at in the current political smorgasboard.

Im old left, being involved with the Union movement and considered deplorable right-wing by my blue-haired niece 😅

It is a minefield. Where to tread?

And you still can't see that the real problem is the blue haired idiot relation.
 

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