Israel v Hamas

[CPFCSaturn]

MSM leans heavily left so of course the volume of critical articles is higher. That doesn’t equal majority public opinion.

But here's some that stand in solidarity with Sheeran:

Ed Sheeran fans vow to support star after ALL opening acts dropped out

Ed Sheeran fans have vowed to support the star as they argued he 'shouldn't be blamed' after all the opening acts dropped out of his tour following Macklemore's 'Free Palestine' row.

www.dailymail.com

Ed Sheeran in an ‘impossible position’ over Macklemore Gaza row, says Lisa Nandy

www.independent.co.uk

Tommy Robinson comes out in support for Ed Sheeran in career low for singer

As Ed Sheeran continues to be the subject of anger over the Macklemore-Palestine controversy, he's received the last endorsement he needed.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

Plenty more on x in support of Sheeran. I can spam you with their posts if you like?

What's 150k out of 47.5 million percentage wise? That will give us a rough idea of what the percentage of people who have unfollowed Sheeran 🙄

As ever with the left it's ultimatums and absolutes "you are either with us or against us". This is evidenced by sheeran's position that the removal of the band wasn’t his call and that he prefers his shows to stay apolitical is treated as betrayal rather than a legitimate choice.

Right, a better attempt, although I probably would have left our the Tommy Robinson one 🤣

I think when it comes to genocide, 'you are either with us or against us' is a reasonable position. Being 'apolotical' to the slaughter of tens of thousands of children doesn't tend to sit well with people.

Sheeran claimed he prefers to stay apolitical in his professional career, but he had no such concerns when performing for Ukraine.

 

[HKOwen]

And encourage you to do the same... where is the reporting in support of Sheeran? Who is coming out in his defence? I'm sure The Jerusalem Post or someone will have an article in support.

Again, this is a football forum - most of what gets shared on here 'isn't factual'.

I've said multiple times today alone, you're entitled to whatever view you want. But when that view is justifying atrocities, a lot people are going to take issue with it.

So not coming down on one side or another of the Sheeran news is " justifying atrocities "?

How do you breath in the rarified air at the altitude of your moral high ground?

Don't get sun burnt in the glow of your self righteousness

 

[eaglesdare]

Right, a better attempt, although I probably would have left our the Tommy Robinson one 🤣

I think when it comes to genocide, 'you are either with us or against us' is a reasonable position. Being 'apolotical' to the slaughter of tens of thousands of children doesn't tend to sit well with people.

Sheeran claimed he prefers to stay apolitical in his professional career, but he had no such concerns when performing for Ukraine.

Calling it “genocide” doesn’t make the “with us or against us” test automatic. The Ukraine case was a clear cut invasion by one state against another. Gaza is a war against Hamas after the 7 October massacre. He may have stood with a Ukrainian flag but he doesn’t turn his regular concerts into political platforms.

I guess you have just proven my point. That the left only deal with ultimatums and absolutes.

So what's 150k percentage wise out of 47.5 million?

Who knows? Maybe maybe Ed Sheeran is Pro Palestine? 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[CPFCSaturn]

So not coming down on one side or another of the Sheeran news is " justifying atrocities "?

How do you breath in the rarified air at the altitude of your moral high ground?

Don't get sun burnt in the glow of your self righteousness

No, many posters numerous contributions to this thread have been "justifying atrocities".

 

[HKOwen]

No, many posters numerous contributions to this thread have been "justifying atrocities".

In your opinion, you just don't get it, you have a mental block to logic.

Just because you believe something doesn't make it a fact to others.

Are you sure you're not Wisbech's B account?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Calling it “genocide” doesn’t make the “with us or against us” test automatic. The Ukraine case was a clear cut invasion by one state against another. Gaza is a war against Hamas after the 7 October massacre. He may have stood with a Ukrainian flag but he doesn’t turn his regular concerts into political platforms.

I guess you have just proven my point. That the left only deal with ultimatums and absolutes.

So what's 150k percentage wise out of 47.5 million?

Who knows? Maybe maybe Ed Sheeran is Pro Palestine? 🤷🏻‍♂️

Genocide does make that test automatic - would it be reasonable for anyone to be 'apolitical' on the holocaust?

Gaza is not a war - it's a land grab and it's ethnic cleansing, as Israel have themselves told us many times over.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

In your opinion, you just don't get it, you have a mental block to logic.

Just because you believe something doesn't make it a fact to others.

Are you sure you're not Wisbech's B account?

Yes, this is a forum for sharing opinions.

We don't need to state that opinions are opinions on a forum designed for people to share their opinions - it's very much implied.

You need to really level up beyond the lawyer act - pointing out opinions are opinions and the constant searching for little technicalities is so low-level most people leave it behind at school.

 

[HKOwen]

Yes, this is a forum for sharing opinions.

We don't need to state that opinions are opinions on a forum designed for people to share their opinions - it's very much implied.

So when you throw around accusations of posters here supporting ethnic cleansing, genocide blah blah you are now confirming it's your opinion only.

Your contempt for accuracy in debate is not a surprise in my opinion.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

So when you throw around accusations of posters here supporting ethnic cleansing, genocide blah blah you are now confirming it's your opinion only.

Obviously FFS - what on earth could it be but an opinion?

Low, low level.

 

[HKOwen]

Obviously FFS - what on earth could it be but an opinion?

Low, low level.

A moronic belief

 

[CPFCSaturn]

So when you throw around accusations of posters here supporting ethnic cleansing, genocide blah blah you are now confirming it's your opinion only.

Your contempt for accuracy in debate is not a surprise in my opinion.

Nor is your fixation on technicalities.

You should read into theories around people who overly fixate on technicalities in debates...

 

[eaglesdare]

Genocide does make that test automatic - would it be reasonable for anyone to be 'apolitical' on the holocaust?

Gaza is not a war - it's a land grab and it's ethnic cleansing, as Israel have themselves told us many times over.

Comparing gaza to the holocaust is extreme and inaccurate. The holocaust was the systematic industrial extermination of jews by the nazis. Oct 7 was a massacre by hamas which was followed by a war to eliminate hamas tand to free the hostages.

Sheeran still has the right to keep his regular shows about music. The unfollow numbers remain a tiny fraction of his audience

What's 150k percentage wise out of 45.7 million?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Comparing gaza to the holocaust is extreme and inaccurate. The holocaust was the systematic industrial extermination of jews by the nazis. Oct 7 was a massacre by hamas which was followed by a war to eliminate hamas tand to free the hostages.

Sheeran still has the right to keep his regular shows about music. The unfollow numbers remain a tiny fraction of his audience

What's 150k percentage wise out of 45.7 million?

They're both considered genocides by experts on the matter, so it's a perfectly valid comparison in that context.

Sheeran has the right to do as he pleases, and everyone else have the right to judge him for his decision - that's all that has happened.

Do you own a calculator? Your spellchecker can do that calculation for you if not - if you want to pretend 150,000 people unfollowing him isn't indicative of anything, that's entirely up to you.

 

[eaglesdare]

They're both considered genocides by experts on the matter, so it's a perfectly valid comparison in that context.

Sheeran has the right to do as he pleases, and everyone else have the right to judge him for his decision - that's all that has happened.

Do you own a calculator? Your spellchecker can do that calculation for you if not - if you want to pretend 150,000 people unfollowing him isn't indicative of anything, that's entirely up to you.

Incorrect. "Genocide" in gaza is a contested political claim and is not settled fact.

I know the percentage I just want to hear it from you. Seeing as you brought up Instagram followers and think it's sooooooo important. So what's the percentage of 150k people who unfollowed Sheeran out of 45.7 million?

 

[HKOwen]

The oft quoted expert is a Palestinian university professor who would not be partisan.

The Left use genocide so if you disagree you support genocide etc.

It's in the vein of if you said All Lives Matter you were racist etc. The words just change with current happenings

 

[CPFCSaturn]

The oft quoted expert is a Palestinian university professor who would not be partisan.

The Left use genocide so if you disagree you support genocide etc.

It's in the vein of if you said All Lives Matter you were racist etc. The words just change with current happenings

Glad you’re taking my technicality advice and just winging it now.

“
The International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) is a professional academic organisation specialising specifically in genocide research.

In August 2025, its members passed a resolution stating that:

Israel’s policies and actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of genocide under Article II of the 1948 Genocide Convention.

The resolution passed with 86% of participating members voting in favour.”

I could also mention Omer Bartov, an Israeli-American historian who is a professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies. Or William A. Schabas who is a Canadian and considered one of the most prominent genocide-law specialists on the planet. Or the Australian Melanie O’Brien who was the President of the International Association of Genocide Scholars.

That’s without getting into the various bodies and charities around the world who all agree it’s genocide.

 

[Spindle]

Being apolitical to a genocide doesn’t go down well with most people, funny enough.

You aren't though because you've not banged on remotely about Yemen and any other location, nor the Chinese Muslims that are being literally genocide in every sense (Chinese have it right, they see the threat)

 

[Spindle]

Think what you want, reality says otherwise;

Ed Sheeran loses 150,000 Instagram followers in wake of Macklemore controversy

Macklemore has gained more than 750,000 followers since he announced that he was dropped from Sheeran’s tour

www.independent.co.uk

Rock legend slams Ed Sheeran as US tour crumbles over Macklemore-Gaza controversy

Pink Floyd musician was reacting to Macklemore’s dismissal from Sheeran’s tour over his Israel and Palestine comments

www.independent.co.uk

Of course Sheeran will remain a very rich man, but his reputation has taken a battering.

Backing from Pete Waters, it's like getting a thumps up from Wisbech or Dantifa.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Incorrect. "Genocide" in gaza is a contested political claim and is not settled fact.

I know the percentage I just want to hear it from you. Seeing as you brought up Instagram followers and think it's sooooooo important. So what's the percentage of 150k people who unfollowed Sheeran out of 45.7 million?

It’s a fact they’re both considered genocides by most experts on genocide, which is what I said.

I don’t think it’s ‘soooooo’ important, I think it’s indicative of how Sheeran’s PR has suffered, which it clearly is.

 

[Spindle]

47.5 million followers and about 3 billion haters

Haters describes the Palestinian bummers very well