Goals from outside the box

Pinkfluff1981

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Just seen an interesting stat… 2025/26 season we had 137 shots from outside the box. 34 on target but only scored 3 goals from outside the box. I’ve just done that from memory so could be a bit wrong but either way it was shocking . Why can’t we address this ? It Can’t be lack of quality.
 
Hmmmm....what about other teams in the league? Is there a comparison with them? I would assume most goals are scored inside the box?
 
Just seen an interesting stat… 2025/26 season we had 137 shots from outside the box. 34 on target but only scored 3 goals from outside the box. I’ve just done that from memory so could be a bit wrong but either way it was shocking . Why can’t we address this ? It Can’t be lack of quality.
It's difficult for our centre mids to stay forward and have any time for a decent shot whilst there are only two of them playing deep. Press them, and the opposition have an extra man in there to do just that. We see it time and time again. We don't line up the shots, we snatch at them. The opposition end up with more time on the ball in midfield, but also in general in all our matches, because we tend to transition through midfield rather than build up in midfield. We're quickly back to front if we get it right. We're seeing that tonight.
 
I agree most goals scored inside box and no i didnt see a comparison to other teams. I just googled it.

I think im a bit weird . I love to watch palace win games but is it just me or would we not like to see more players shooting ?

And yes im fully aware weve just scored again so great result palace and great goal kamada!

Its not just now though, throughout glasner and before players dont shoot? Just whip in crosses , it’s a bit boring. Eze and olise obvs were the exceptions to this. Im not expecting worldy goals every match but just a presence in shooting at goal. Maybe it’s just me.
 
I agree most goals scored inside box and no i didnt see a comparison to other teams. I just googled it.

I think im a bit weird . I love to watch palace win games but is it just me or would we not like to see more players shooting ?

And yes im fully aware weve just scored again so great result palace and great goal kamada!

Its not just now though, throughout glasner and before players dont shoot? Just whip in crosses , it’s a bit boring. Eze and olise obvs were the exceptions to this. Im not expecting worldy goals every match but just a presence in shooting at goal. Maybe it’s just me.
 
Just seen an interesting stat… 2025/26 season we had 137 shots from outside the box. 34 on target but only scored 3 goals from outside the box. I’ve just done that from memory so could be a bit wrong but either way it was shocking . Why can’t we address this ? It Can’t be lack of quality.
It absolutely is a lack of quality. Our best ever is 9 a couple of years earlier when we had Eze and Olise in the squad
Villa had 16 last season with McGinn (4) leading the way. In the Pl era, Forest in 1994/5 have the best return, at 20.
 
It absolutely is a lack of quality. Our best ever is 9 a couple of years earlier when we had Eze and Olise in the squad
Villa had 16 last season with McGinn (4) leading the way. In the Pl era, Forest in 1994/5 have the best return, at 20.
But how many times did we shot from outside the area I don't remember many
 
Don't get me started on this topic. Oh, too late....

There have been a few articles about how shooting, let alone scoring, from outside the box has reduced notably over the last 10-20 years. Various theories and explanations as to why this should be can be found online, or in the pub. To my mind, given the ball itself is easier than ever to strike and moves more in the air, and there are just no bobbles or divots on the grass at all, the reduction in long range shooting is all the more notable and perhaps worrying.

Personally, I put it down to a mix of things.

Firstly, the introduction of the 'holding' or defensive midfielder, who sits in front of the centre backs all game. Once Cantona and Bergkamp started dropping off into 'the hole' it was only a matter of time before a Makelele-type sitting midfielder was introduced to deal with the problem. Central midfielders used to play box-to-box, and so were expected to contribute a few goals as well as lots of passing, running, and tackling. Even a deeper midfielder was usually playing there in part because he could pass or shoot from range.

A modern holding midfielder is different. He is dedicated to defending and keeping his position, and so feels little expectation or pressure to ever score. Over time, that means players with no shooting ability whatsoever will be picked anyway, whereas once it would have held them back. There are probably far more naturally non-scoring, non-shooting midfielders in the league now than 20 years ago.

Mostly though I think its down to coaching, both specifically and generally. Specifically in that players are now coached to maintain possession first and foremost. That's why you often see wingers passing it backwards to the full back instead of taking their opponent on, and rarely see end to end 'basketball' style football matches. Shooting from distance is at odds with that mindset. The poxy data probably says you have X% better chance overall if you pass it instead of shooting.

Then there is this absolute, all-invasive dread and fear that modern coaches have of facing any form of counter attack. That usually means leaving at least one midfielder half way inside the opponents half even when we are crossing the ball into their box. 20 years ago that guy would have been nearer the edge of their box, and got a few shooting chances that way. Nowadays his job is to maintain control by recycling the ball if the winger (as usual) passes it backwards, or by ensuring a clearance doesn't turn into a counter. Scoring a goal is not on his list of instructions.

This is where the more general influence of coaching comes in. It's influence is far greater now than it once was. Think of when it was last common for players to shoot from outside the box and you probably think of the Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham period. What these players have in common is that the team was built around them to a point, and they had the responsibility to carry the team. That meant a degree of freedom to go about the job as seemed, to them, for the best at any given moment. That included getting into shooting positions and taking the risk to shoot. Their ability to make decisions was trusted.

Nowadays its all about the managers tactics. The players are just there to carry out his brilliant plan, like pawns on a chessboard. Shooting from range requires independence of thought and purpose, and indicates a belief that the player is actually the key deciding factor in a football match, rather than the coach. That's at odds with having a 'philosophy' and ten subs available for the coach to cycle through all the various permutations over 90 minutes, all of which makes its all about him. Players get over-controlled and God help any of them if they act for themselves. Can you imagine anyone, at any level of the modern premier league, giving Matt Le Tissier the platform his various Southampton managers gave him back in the day?

I doubt we will ever see a return to long range shooting as a commonly used weapon.
 
I always think these days there seems to be a lot of goals where a player cuts in from the left and curls the ball in with his right or vice versa from the other side, not necessarily from outside the box and not even struck that hard. Wilf used to do it, Olise, Cole Palmer, Rashford just off the top of my head, but there’s many examples
I think back in the day it wasn’t such a thing because things were a bit more rigid, if you was on the left you wouldn’t cut back in because you was left footed and vice versa
 
But how many times did we shot from outside the area I don't remember many
You have done well to block out Lerma, Hughes and Wharton's efforts. They don't shoot much because they are poor at it - though Whartons showed some improvement at the end of the season. It is a shortcoming because teams do not have to concentrate against it.
Timber scored at a good rate at Feyenoord but I have no idea how many were from long range
 
I always think these days there seems to be a lot of goals where a player cuts in from the left and curls the ball in with his right or vice versa from the other side, not necessarily from outside the box and not even struck that hard. Wilf used to do it, Olise, Cole Palmer, Rashford just off the top of my head, but there’s many examples
I think back in the day it wasn’t such a thing because things were a bit more rigid, if you was on the left you wouldn’t cut back in because you was left footed and vice versa
In the old days players were taught how to kick with both feet , I would be worth a fortune now if I was playing , could kick with both by the age of 11 , and did if I had a shot , yes right was stronger but my left could cross and shot which caused mayhem at times 💪🤣🤣
 
In the old days players were taught how to kick with both feet , I would be worth a fortune now if I was playing , could kick with both by the age of 11 , and did if I had a shot , yes right was stronger but my left could cross and shot which caused mayhem at times 💪🤣🤣
I was a Lefty Left winger, as King Kenny and Geoff Thomas used to say, my right foot was for standing on only, no one tried to reach me to kick with my right, Left you played on the left, right on the right, much simpler days 🤣
 
I was a Lefty Left winger, as King Kenny and Geoff Thomas used to say, my right foot was for standing on only, no one tried to reach me to kick with my right, Left you played on the left, right on the right, much simpler days 🤣
I just used to kick other players. It was called being a centre back. Now it's called being an old-fashioned centre back.
 
I just used to kick other players. It was called being a centre back. Now it's called being an old-fashioned centre back.
Simpler times. Get the ball and bullock it into space in the other half. If possible in the general direction of a wide player then blame him for not getting on the end of it. That was about the only instruction - clear it. Preferably towards someone who could actually play the game but if not then anywhere would do. It makes me shudder to watch defenders committing the ultimate offence of passing square across their own area. It's just wrong.
 
I just used to kick other players. It was called being a centre back. Now it's called being an old-fashioned centre back.
If you played in the Orpington & Bromley, The Eltham & District or the South London alliance in the 80’s and early 90’s you may well have kicked me a few times 🤣
 
Don't get me started on this topic. Oh, too late....

There have been a few articles about how shooting, let alone scoring, from outside the box has reduced notably over the last 10-20 years. Various theories and explanations as to why this should be can be found online, or in the pub. To my mind, given the ball itself is easier than ever to strike and moves more in the air, and there are just no bobbles or divots on the grass at all, the reduction in long range shooting is all the more notable and perhaps worrying.

Personally, I put it down to a mix of things.

Firstly, the introduction of the 'holding' or defensive midfielder, who sits in front of the centre backs all game. Once Cantona and Bergkamp started dropping off into 'the hole' it was only a matter of time before a Makelele-type sitting midfielder was introduced to deal with the problem. Central midfielders used to play box-to-box, and so were expected to contribute a few goals as well as lots of passing, running, and tackling. Even a deeper midfielder was usually playing there in part because he could pass or shoot from range.

A modern holding midfielder is different. He is dedicated to defending and keeping his position, and so feels little expectation or pressure to ever score. Over time, that means players with no shooting ability whatsoever will be picked anyway, whereas once it would have held them back. There are probably far more naturally non-scoring, non-shooting midfielders in the league now than 20 years ago.

Mostly though I think its down to coaching, both specifically and generally. Specifically in that players are now coached to maintain possession first and foremost. That's why you often see wingers passing it backwards to the full back instead of taking their opponent on, and rarely see end to end 'basketball' style football matches. Shooting from distance is at odds with that mindset. The poxy data probably says you have X% better chance overall if you pass it instead of shooting.

Then there is this absolute, all-invasive dread and fear that modern coaches have of facing any form of counter attack. That usually means leaving at least one midfielder half way inside the opponents half even when we are crossing the ball into their box. 20 years ago that guy would have been nearer the edge of their box, and got a few shooting chances that way. Nowadays his job is to maintain control by recycling the ball if the winger (as usual) passes it backwards, or by ensuring a clearance doesn't turn into a counter. Scoring a goal is not on his list of instructions.

This is where the more general influence of coaching comes in. It's influence is far greater now than it once was. Think of when it was last common for players to shoot from outside the box and you probably think of the Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham period. What these players have in common is that the team was built around them to a point, and they had the responsibility to carry the team. That meant a degree of freedom to go about the job as seemed, to them, for the best at any given moment. That included getting into shooting positions and taking the risk to shoot. Their ability to make decisions was trusted.

Nowadays its all about the managers tactics. The players are just there to carry out his brilliant plan, like pawns on a chessboard. Shooting from range requires independence of thought and purpose, and indicates a belief that the player is actually the key deciding factor in a football match, rather than the coach. That's at odds with having a 'philosophy' and ten subs available for the coach to cycle through all the various permutations over 90 minutes, all of which makes its all about him. Players get over-controlled and God help any of them if they act for themselves. Can you imagine anyone, at any level of the modern premier league, giving Matt Le Tissier the platform his various Southampton managers gave him back in the day?

I doubt we will ever see a return to long range shooting as a commonly used weapon.
Jesus 😂 I agree with that . However there are opportunities where you see are players in and I’m literally shouting at tele saying shoot ! But they don’t, they look for the pass out wide or through pass . Just leather it at goal once in a while . It can go in or keeper spills it . Or in our case in the crowd or keeper saves it. It’s football, play the game . Modern day football is gay in my opinion definitely not as exciting
 

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