The good old days

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Seems several overpaid players want to leave the club I say if they don’t want to stay f them off (with the right offers 😀) Was always great supporting the lads who didn’t possess the skills of these so called super stars but had the red and blue in their hearts Always emotional on damo and rambos chat on the documentary That’s palace heart and whatever we have achieved over last few years rather have a squad of committed players that’s what we’re all about
 
Something seems to have changed fundamentally this summer.
Even Villa and Newcastle are losing their best players , some under long term contracts.
Players are playing up.
I heard that Watkins did not want to play for Villa today.
Arsenal, Chelsea and City act like kids in a sweet shop.
They seem to require even the deputies to their substitutes to be multi million pound players.
I'm sure all this is a turn off for the vast majority of fans.
Sadly I think it will only get worse.
City have just agreed a deal for an 18 year old for £85 million.
He better be good, but I suppose even if he isn't, City won't worry too much.
They just write it off.
The lunatics truly have taken over the asylum.
Agents are largely a cancer in the game.
Rant over, but I'll be back.
 
Something seems to have changed fundamentally this summer.
Even Villa and Newcastle are losing their best players , some under long term contracts.
Players are playing up.
I heard that Watkins did not want to play for Villa today.
Arsenal, Chelsea and City act like kids in a sweet shop.
They seem to require even the deputies to their substitutes to be multi million pound players.
I'm sure all this is a turn off for the vast majority of fans.
Sadly I think it will only get worse.
City have just agreed a deal for an 18 year old for £85 million.
He better be good, but I suppose even if he isn't, City won't worry too much.
They just write it off.
The lunatics truly have taken over the asylum.
Agents are largely a cancer in the game.
Rant over, but I'll be back.
I wrote something along these lines a few months ago on another social media site. I gave my permission for it to be forwarded to Steve Parish by a mutual friend.

My theme was how although I still loved football, the Premier League was becoming a huge turn off. Rigged in favour of the ' big clubs ' .

There's a certain irony in as much as Palace have been so successful ( albeit in cup competitions ) at the same time as I've grown steadily more disillusioned with league football.

And of course it's that success that have fed those bigger clubs as our players become transfer targets for them.
 
Seems like the last two seasons were our high water mark. Not even looking forward to this season. More like a sense of dread. Any player that shines for us is going to be linked elsewhere then sold. What’s the point? Sick of it. Glad I’m abroad for the Man City home defeat.
 
Seems like the last two seasons were our high water mark. Not even looking forward to this season. More like a sense of dread. Any player that shines for us is going to be linked elsewhere then sold. What’s the point? Sick of it. Glad I’m abroad for the Man City home defeat.
City are not that good
 
The Premier League can't be competitive when in the last 10 years Man United have a net transfer spend of £1.18 billion with Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City pretty close to a billion as well.
 
Not content with their existing 3 multi million centre forwards , Arsenal are pushing for Alvarez from Athletico Madrid- a fabulous striker of the ball.
They are rapidly approaching a situation where their reserve team could finish in a Champions League position.

The essence of sport is competition; take that out and what are you left with?
I could manage Arsenal with their resources ( ....maybe I should, I could get them relegated).
 
Its down to the success of the Premier league, its now full of foreign players, largely the best in the world, who are here to do a job, untill they get offered a better one.
 
I wrote something along these lines a few months ago on another social media site. I gave my permission for it to be forwarded to Steve Parish by a mutual friend.

My theme was how although I still loved football, the Premier League was becoming a huge turn off. Rigged in favour of the ' big clubs ' .

There's a certain irony in as much as Palace have been so successful ( albeit in cup competitions ) at the same time as I've grown steadily more disillusioned with league football.

And of course it's that success that have fed those bigger clubs as our players become transfer targets for them.
I couldn't agree more. Palace winning the FA Cup would have shook the very ground under my young feet in 1990. I was gutted for years afterwards! In 2016 I found going to Wembley even more of a hassle then usual but was surprised at the emotions it all stirred once I got there, although a lot of that was to do with suddenly looking back at 1990, I think. By the time we won it, I didn't feel remotely as strongly about it. Some of that is being older, having other things to worry about, and the novelty wearing off, but a lot of it is to do with falling so out of love with top level professional football.

I feel like I'm constantly telling myself that just because I might be able to articulate sensible objections to something doesn't mean I'm not just being a grumpy old man when I complain about it. It's not like top level football is struggling to draw in the punters, so perhaps it's just me who dislikes it. It's quite possible that the problem is with me, not with football.

But then I list all the things I dislike, and I don't feel like I'm being unreasonable. The soullessness of it. The unrelenting, overblown marketing. The cost. The unseemly, totally unrelatable money they throw around. The mindless, hypocritical corporate virtue signaling on political and social issues. Dubious foreign states buying into English football with no opposition at all. The endless greed.

Then there's the game itself. VAR is an irreversible f***ing travesty, as is the pandering to players going to ground under minimal contact. What is now widely accepted as a player having been 'fouled' used to be considered despicable cheating that we wouldn't tolerate in our culture. That's why the rest of the world liked our football. The idea that a player can legitimately 'earn' a free kick or penalty is a modern sickness, born of the mindset that it's all about what you can get rather than how you conduct yourself. All of it gets washed over by the smiley blandness of the TV firms, who care far more about never damaging the value of the product than the game itself. It's a dramatic thing to say, but I feel like the great fundamental social and personal value of the game to our society is being eroded by the rewards and lack of objections to the shitty way it is played now.

Finally, the actual major competitions are becoming so pointless, as the vast majority of participants can never, ever win them. It's mad, but we just accept it. The same very small number of teams have dominated in the major European leagues for decades. They are so far out of reach of the rest that they now want only to play each other. Their dominance is so depressing that many of us would be happy enough to see them go. How is that a healthy, happy state of affairs?!

A big feature of unregulated open markets is that an increasingly small group of the rich get richer all the time, and increasingly further away from the rest. This is established economics. It's not like football couldn't have seen it coming. This is the inevitable end game. The same small number of teams drain the best players from the smaller teams just to stockpile talent. There are at least two or three title-challenging XIs sat on the bench or in the stands come kick off every match day. How is that okay?

I've got no problem with one club being bigger and wealthier than the next. In one respect the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool are simply inheriting the benefits of the labours of their predecessors, the same way you might have a better inheritance than me if your parents did better than mine. The difference is that if I do better than you in this life, my kids might get at least as good an inheritance as yours. It's all to play for. Football isn't like that. It's locked. The big clubs can run themselves badly and still be in the elite, the likes of us can run ourselves well and never get there. That's increasingly playing out on the pitch.

The most lauded, apparently successful smaller top flight clubs are the likes of Brighton, Bournemouth, and Brentford, and their whole approach is to develop players for the big boys! They literally rely on reinforcing the status quo to exist. That's the f***ing aspiration, is it? Jesus. Surely they are a warning, a red flag?

Mostly though, the thing that gets me is how little fuss and objection there is to all this. The grounds are sold out, despite the ticket costs and f***ing around with kick off times. Is that brainwashing? Are we increasingly conditioned or resigned to it? Or is it just so hard to let go of something that used to be so good?

Or am I just a grumpy old man after all?! 😆
 
I couldn't agree more. Palace winning the FA Cup would have shook the very ground under my young feet in 1990. I was gutted for years afterwards! In 2016 I found going to Wembley even more of a hassle then usual but was surprised at the emotions it all stirred once I got there, although a lot of that was to do with suddenly looking back at 1990, I think. By the time we won it, I didn't feel remotely as strongly about it. Some of that is being older, having other things to worry about, and the novelty wearing off, but a lot of it is to do with falling so out of love with top level professional football.

I feel like I'm constantly telling myself that just because I might be able to articulate sensible objections to something doesn't mean I'm not just being a grumpy old man when I complain about it. It's not like top level football is struggling to draw in the punters, so perhaps it's just me who dislikes it. It's quite possible that the problem is with me, not with football.

But then I list all the things I dislike, and I don't feel like I'm being unreasonable. The soullessness of it. The unrelenting, overblown marketing. The cost. The unseemly, totally unrelatable money they throw around. The mindless, hypocritical corporate virtue signaling on political and social issues. Dubious foreign states buying into English football with no opposition at all. The endless greed.

Then there's the game itself. VAR is an irreversible f***ing travesty, as is the pandering to players going to ground under minimal contact. What is now widely accepted as a player having been 'fouled' used to be considered despicable cheating that we wouldn't tolerate in our culture. That's why the rest of the world liked our football. The idea that a player can legitimately 'earn' a free kick or penalty is a modern sickness, born of the mindset that it's all about what you can get rather than how you conduct yourself. All of it gets washed over by the smiley blandness of the TV firms, who care far more about never damaging the value of the product than the game itself. It's a dramatic thing to say, but I feel like the great fundamental social and personal value of the game to our society is being eroded by the rewards and lack of objections to the shitty way it is played now.

Finally, the actual major competitions are becoming so pointless, as the vast majority of participants can never, ever win them. It's mad, but we just accept it. The same very small number of teams have dominated in the major European leagues for decades. They are so far out of reach of the rest that they now want only to play each other. Their dominance is so depressing that many of us would be happy enough to see them go. How is that a healthy, happy state of affairs?!

A big feature of unregulated open markets is that an increasingly small group of the rich get richer all the time, and increasingly further away from the rest. This is established economics. It's not like football couldn't have seen it coming. This is the inevitable end game. The same small number of teams drain the best players from the smaller teams just to stockpile talent. There are at least two or three title-challenging XIs sat on the bench or in the stands come kick off every match day. How is that okay?

I've got no problem with one club being bigger and wealthier than the next. In one respect the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool are simply inheriting the benefits of the labours of their predecessors, the same way you might have a better inheritance than me if your parents did better than mine. The difference is that if I do better than you in this life, my kids might get at least as good an inheritance as yours. It's all to play for. Football isn't like that. It's locked. The big clubs can run themselves badly and still be in the elite, the likes of us can run ourselves well and never get there. That's increasingly playing out on the pitch.

The most lauded, apparently successful smaller top flight clubs are the likes of Brighton, Bournemouth, and Brentford, and their whole approach is to develop players for the big boys! They literally rely on reinforcing the status quo to exist. That's the f***ing aspiration, is it? Jesus. Surely they are a warning, a red flag?

Mostly though, the thing that gets me is how little fuss and objection there is to all this. The grounds are sold out, despite the ticket costs and f***ing around with kick off times. Is that brainwashing? Are we increasingly conditioned or resigned to it? Or is it just so hard to let go of something that used to be so good?

Or am I just a grumpy old man after all?! 😆
You're not being a grumpy old man.
My son who is in his twenties and his mates make similar observations, particularly around the finances, the worthiness and VAR.
 
To be honest it’s nothing new for us old buggers, my first experience of a team break up was the so called team of the 80’s
And it really did hurt at that age, big Dave swindles who I loved and got us our first tickets when I started going left, then King Kenny Sansom, that really did hurt, then when the going got tough, Venables left and took a few players with him to QPR, Peter Nicholas went to Arsenal. And we were left bringing in old has beens for peanuts
The only consolation was that Hilaire Gilbert and Murphy stuck around for longer than they deserved really

it was hard to believe we went from 52,000 for the Burnley game to 4,000 against Carlisle in a short few years

Having started going in the 3rd division I’d only ever known us on the up, so it was all a bit of a culture shock, so my advice to the youngsters now who have only ever known us on the up, enjoy the good players while they’re here!! They all leave in the end and believe me it could get a whole lot worse than it is now. Besides if they were no good, we wouldn’t be bothered when they leave, so take it as a compliment that we’ve got so many good players that other teams want and the good memories those players gave us will always be there

And then we went through it all again in the early 90’s, but I’m boring myself now let alone you lot so we won’t go there 🤣
 
You're not being a grumpy old man.
My son who is in his twenties and his mates make similar observations, particularly around the finances, the worthiness and VAR.
That's good to know. Now, let me tell you all about my views on this so-called 'music' they have today..... 😉
 
I couldn't agree more. Palace winning the FA Cup would have shook the very ground under my young feet in 1990. I was gutted for years afterwards! In 2016 I found going to Wembley even more of a hassle then usual but was surprised at the emotions it all stirred once I got there, although a lot of that was to do with suddenly looking back at 1990, I think. By the time we won it, I didn't feel remotely as strongly about it. Some of that is being older, having other things to worry about, and the novelty wearing off, but a lot of it is to do with falling so out of love with top level professional football.

I feel like I'm constantly telling myself that just because I might be able to articulate sensible objections to something doesn't mean I'm not just being a grumpy old man when I complain about it. It's not like top level football is struggling to draw in the punters, so perhaps it's just me who dislikes it. It's quite possible that the problem is with me, not with football.

But then I list all the things I dislike, and I don't feel like I'm being unreasonable. The soullessness of it. The unrelenting, overblown marketing. The cost. The unseemly, totally unrelatable money they throw around. The mindless, hypocritical corporate virtue signaling on political and social issues. Dubious foreign states buying into English football with no opposition at all. The endless greed.

Then there's the game itself. VAR is an irreversible f***ing travesty, as is the pandering to players going to ground under minimal contact. What is now widely accepted as a player having been 'fouled' used to be considered despicable cheating that we wouldn't tolerate in our culture. That's why the rest of the world liked our football. The idea that a player can legitimately 'earn' a free kick or penalty is a modern sickness, born of the mindset that it's all about what you can get rather than how you conduct yourself. All of it gets washed over by the smiley blandness of the TV firms, who care far more about never damaging the value of the product than the game itself. It's a dramatic thing to say, but I feel like the great fundamental social and personal value of the game to our society is being eroded by the rewards and lack of objections to the shitty way it is played now.

Finally, the actual major competitions are becoming so pointless, as the vast majority of participants can never, ever win them. It's mad, but we just accept it. The same very small number of teams have dominated in the major European leagues for decades. They are so far out of reach of the rest that they now want only to play each other. Their dominance is so depressing that many of us would be happy enough to see them go. How is that a healthy, happy state of affairs?!

A big feature of unregulated open markets is that an increasingly small group of the rich get richer all the time, and increasingly further away from the rest. This is established economics. It's not like football couldn't have seen it coming. This is the inevitable end game. The same small number of teams drain the best players from the smaller teams just to stockpile talent. There are at least two or three title-challenging XIs sat on the bench or in the stands come kick off every match day. How is that okay?

I've got no problem with one club being bigger and wealthier than the next. In one respect the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool are simply inheriting the benefits of the labours of their predecessors, the same way you might have a better inheritance than me if your parents did better than mine. The difference is that if I do better than you in this life, my kids might get at least as good an inheritance as yours. It's all to play for. Football isn't like that. It's locked. The big clubs can run themselves badly and still be in the elite, the likes of us can run ourselves well and never get there. That's increasingly playing out on the pitch.

The most lauded, apparently successful smaller top flight clubs are the likes of Brighton, Bournemouth, and Brentford, and their whole approach is to develop players for the big boys! They literally rely on reinforcing the status quo to exist. That's the f***ing aspiration, is it? Jesus. Surely they are a warning, a red flag?

Mostly though, the thing that gets me is how little fuss and objection there is to all this. The grounds are sold out, despite the ticket costs and f***ing around with kick off times. Is that brainwashing? Are we increasingly conditioned or resigned to it? Or is it just so hard to let go of something that used to be so good?

Or am I just a grumpy old man after all?! 😆
Grumpy but articulate 😀👏
 
Ah, the "Good old days".
The 'Peanut lady' Mrs Minchella selling her goods on the Holmesdale Terrace.
I suspect that only a handful on HOL will recall her and her cry of "Peanuts for a sixpence." 👍
 
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Ah, the "Good old days".
The 'Peanut lady' Mrs Minchella selling her goods on the Holmesdale Terrace.
I suspect that only a handful on HOL will recall her and her cry of "Peanuts for a sixpence." 👍
Blimey Willo, did you used to go to games with Dick Van Dyke and Mary Poppins?! 😉
 

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