Prof Jason Arday

eaglesdare said:
To be clear when I said Jason arday died as he lived...immoral and cowardly. It was because of the pattern that defined his career and how it ended.

The evidence showed repeated fabrication of his "achievements" that included academic misconduct, and a public persona built on claims that did not hold up.
When those claims collapsed under scrutiny he resigned and then took his own life rather than face the full consequences like the investigations, or the people affected by the deceptions.

He left his family and children to deal with the fallout and avoided accountability for his actions. This is what I regard as both immoral and cowardly.

That is my specific opinion of him and the circumstances of his life and death. It is not a statement about anyone else who dies by suicide.

As for the me disagreeing that suicide is “courageous”. yes of course I disagree. Calling it courageous can romanticise and potentially promote it. Hollywood does this regularly, and I think that is harmful.

Just my opinion anyway.
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He was raised and lauded as a hero of identitarian progressives.

He lacked the ability and credentials to meet that status.

So he created this fabled identity to meet a standard others had set for him.

He was caught out in his lies and his world imploded.

I see no immorality beyond many in the public eye; or an absence of courage. People end their lives to avoid a lot less.

2 factors that do bother me.

1. The steps taken by the authorities (including the police) to suppress exposure of his fraud.
2. Much humbug sympathetic media coverage of what a good bloke he was.
 
silvertop said:
He was raised and lauded as a hero of identitarian progressives.

He lacked the ability and credentials to meet that status.

So he created this fabled identity to meet a standard others had set for him.

He was caught out in his lies and his world imploded.

I see no immorality beyond many in the public eye; or an absence of courage. People end their lives to avoid a lot less.

2 factors that do bother me.

1. The steps taken by the authorities (including the police) to suppress exposure of his fraud.
2. Much humbug sympathetic media coverage of what a good bloke he was.
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I think that if he had been more intelligent and conservative about things he could have got away with it.....because the corrupt system wanted him to be there so much.

But he put himself out there, on the BBC multiple times, book deals, he couldn't help himself as he continuously kept making crap up or embellishing.

Your point about immorality within systems is a valid one in my view.....I'm no commie but people in the city have scammed and stolen money legally and get bonuses for it, which they spend without batting an eyelid. Some immorality is even baked into systems, late payments, off shoring, tax evasion and so on.

So while I don't give Arday a pass, like many of his leftist brethren desperate to defend the grift of DEI, I certainly recognise the proportionality.

The fact is that he did his 'taking the p1ss' in an 'elite' academic institution, where influential people still expect the highest standards to rule (even though the reality has somewhat changed).

So once the cost to defend him became too much people behaved as you'd expect....which I don't blame them for, but you'd have thought that someone should have been helping him cope.
 
To be honest, I don't care much about Jason Ardy, I'd never heard of him, a tragedy for his family of course. What I do care about is how he got away with the nonsense he spouted for so long and how supposedly highly intelligent people were taken in. As for the recent 'vigil' and comments about 'lynching', as ridiculous and lamentable as Arday's claims were.
 
The Arday story has so many angles and involves so many other notable people and institutions, from Cambridge and several other Universities, to Andy Murray, 7up and the BBC, Sir Simon Baron-Cohen, even 'ol CPFC...etc etc that it was bound to be seen as the story that keeps on giving. That it could motor on through silly-season amassing clicks.

This was all in the week/month that Arday's blockbuster autobiography was released. This is very significant because he had clearly talked with Simon & Schuster and his book tour was pulled. He quit Cambridge too and they had no doubt, a great number of questions to ask him BUT Simon & Schuster are a whole different player from the wimpy, fawning world of academe that Arday had slyly wrapped around his finger.

As one of USA's major publishing houses, they have a formidable legal team to fend off any claims arising from any works that get published under their imprint. A couple of Zoom calls from some hardball NY lawyers, basically grilling Arday why S&S were being dragged into the bad publicity and then them no doubt delineating the major repercussions for Arday (breach of contract) and the possibility that they may have to pull the book....Those would doubtless be some very tough realities to face for a fragile Arday.

The Pied Piper bullsh*t would just not wash with such folk.

I will be very interested to see how the book performs and even to read extracts from it when it emerges at end of month.
 
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CPFCSaturn said:
So no, your point doesn’t make a shred of fuckin sense.
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Being angry again on someone else’s behalf. What’s the point in that.
The dude was a fraud, a liar, watched people cancelled and lose their futures.
He chose suicide and it doesn’t take courage. It takes a mental illness.
His family are fuckin brain doctors of some sort. Why didn’t they spot it !
 
cryrst said:
Being angry again on someone else’s behalf. What’s the point in that.
The dude was a fraud, a liar, watched people cancelled and lose their futures.
He chose suicide and it doesn’t take courage. It takes a mental illness.
His family are fuckin brain doctors of some sort. Why didn’t they spot it !
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I referenced this slightly in my Michael Palin post. Palin's family were well aware of his sisters problems she was in and out of institutions most of her life. However you cannot watch someone 24 hours a day and sometimes people are just determined to take their lives. We don't know what contact he had with his family.

As John Le Carre wrote the guy next to you at the bus stop maybe having a force 10 breakdown and you wouldn't even know it.
 
silvertop said:
He was raised and lauded as a hero of identitarian progressives.

He lacked the ability and credentials to meet that status.

So he created this fabled identity to meet a standard others had set for him.

He was caught out in his lies and his world imploded.

I see no immorality beyond many in the public eye; or an absence of courage. People end their lives to avoid a lot less.

2 factors that do bother me.

1. The steps taken by the authorities (including the police) to suppress exposure of his fraud.
2. Much humbug sympathetic media coverage of what a good bloke he was.
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Pure speculation but it's possible that his suicide was part of his pathology - a sort of "they'll miss me when I'm gone and feel sorry for me when they realise what they did".
 
If anyone is interested I found the podcast ep where Arday claims to have played and failed at Palace (around 19 mins in)


Curiously, a few minutes later he claims to have played Judd Trump in a snooker tournament and been well thrashed by him - all as an amateur I think?!! Who knows - the plot thickens!?
 
cryrst said:
Looking for racism where there is none I would say.
In a previous post I said DEI and meritocracy don’t mix.
This is proof I think.
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You are racist by pointing out that they call everyone who disagrees with them racist. Way to go racist!!!!

Everyone knows that the only way to get rid of racism to be racist yourself. That is the brilliance of what DEI has taught us.

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Joseph Paxton said:
The Arday story has so many angles and involves so many other notable people and institutions, from Cambridge and several other Universities, to Andy Murray, 7up and the BBC, Sir Simon Baron-Cohen, even 'ol CPFC...etc etc that it was bound to be seen as the story that keeps on giving. That it could motor on through silly-season amassing clicks.

This was all in the week/month that Arday's blockbuster autobiography was released. This is very significant because he had clearly talked with Simon & Schuster and his book tour was pulled. He quit Cambridge too and they had no doubt, a great number of questions to ask him BUT Simon & Schuster are a whole different player from the wimpy, fawning world of academe that Arday had slyly wrapped around his finger.

As one of USA's major publishing houses, they have a formidable legal team to fend off any claims arising from any works that get published under their imprint. A couple of Zoom calls from some hardball NY lawyers, basically grilling Arday why S&S were being dragged into the bad publicity and then them no doubt delineating the major repercussions for Arday (breach of contract) and the possibility that they may have to pull the book....Those would doubtless be some very tough realities to face for a fragile Arday.

The Pied Piper bullsh*t would just not wash with such folk.

I will be very interested to see how the book performs and even to read extracts from it when it emerges at end of month.
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Certainly the amount of publicity the book has had, it would be a best-seller.
However, you rightly draw attention to the potentially litigious claims that might be made in the book.
Financially the book is still hot property, but I think when it sees the light of day , it might be heavily edited.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
Certainly the amount of publicity the book has had, it would be a best-seller.
However, you rightly draw attention to the potentially litigious claims that might be made in the book.
Financially the book is still hot property, but I think when it sees the light of day , it might be heavily edited.
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My guess is that if "his" book ever sees the light of day it will come with a lawyer written preface that explains it's his truth and recollections may vary. His publishers are under no obligation to publish so it's purely a commercial decision. Will they make money and will it damage their reputation?

I do expect that someone else will produce their book that will actually try and get to the truth.
 
ASCPFC said:
At the very least, a BBC or Channel 4 series. Definitely. I guess the other one is Netflix these days.
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'Catch me if you can'.......'Cambridge got the man'

or How to make Cambridge University look stupid.

Not Leonardo di Caprio....obviously he is the wrong age. What actor should play the fraudster role ? He must have an English accent obviously. Maybe Harry Kane or Erling Haaland ? We cannot use Will Hughes cos he actually DID play for Palace.
Maybe a mini-series akin to the one below ?

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Amadeus (TV series) - Wikipedia

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And the fella credited with being the Arday whistleblower....linked below. What actor to play him in the forthcoming movie ? We saw Cardinal Wolsey portrayed as a goodie ( Wolf Hall....Jonathon Price ) and a baddie (The Tudors...Sam Neill).

Will the scriptwriters decide the fella below to be a goodie or a baddie ? its a tricky question, i would guess at him being portrayed as a baddie - there will be no Palestine flag in his office.

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Nathan Cofnas - Wikipedia

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McAhuna said:
Worth remembering

https://twitter.com/x/status/2090229669878759720
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My take was that he was a particular type of modern bully: the passive aggressive or victimhood bully. The usage of supposed extreme hardship and suffering to win favour and status.

Arday used every lever he could to engineer his meteoric rise. I have watched some of the videos of his web seminars. He has very evidently rehearsed some of his lies and tried many of them out on an individual interviewer as a dry-run before going more 'public' with a falsehood once it has gone unchallenged in a selective setting. This all shows malice aforethought, not the kind of on-the-hoof embellishment that some may make in conversation to win favour or rapport.

The very considerable leverage he had over the academic gatekeepers clearly emboldened him - he became a Pied Piper figure. Yet of course the paradox of continued prominence and adulation brought the gaze of scrutiny open him. This is where the real bully showed his spots, with very disturbing claims of violent racist threats and intimidation (pigs head; knifeman etc.) , before instructing pugnacious lawyers and setting the Police on his challengers.

His story is not new. There was a famous case of Kaspar Hauser, the mute and illiterate boy who wanted to be a cavalryman and became a cause celebre in Germany in 1800's. The Arday story to a tee, including the bizarre death.

So a bully then, worthy only of pity as he was clearly an unstable fellow but never a man of the fibre he professed.

Condolences to his family.
 
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