Prof Jason Arday

eaglesdare said:
To be clear to everyone. This is the post in question. Saturn has got his knickers in a twist and claimed that I said everyone who has committed suicide is immoral and cowardly.

When infact I was talking specifically about the Professor.
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Given we know nothing about Arday's death other than the fact he committed suicide, what specifically about his death was immoral and cowardly?
 
Matov said:
Now, now, now Stirling. Let's not soil this discussion with actual facts.

Have to confess that the reaction to this mans passing, and specifically this 'rally' in Trafalgar Square has really puzzled me because it, at least to start with, made no sense given that it seems beyond doubt that Araday, and very helpfully aided, abetted and adulated over, by the usual white saviour types, 'winged' his way into this professorship. And when it all turned to dust, made his own choice on the way out of it.

Let me propose a notion.

He is not the only one. That throughout our society, there are numerous examples of people being promoted beyond not only their skill-set, but the actual accepted qualifications required, by way of allowing the Soc.Lib class to get thier virtue signalling highs. With this current FUBAR situation, the definition of a buzz killer.

So this reaction is more warning than mourning. Trying to scare others off from exposing similar?
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Indeed, Academia and some other organisations are now "batoning-down the hatches", because they know there are some notable charades out there.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Unless you can provide a reasonable answer, it's not a lie - what specifically about Arday's death was immoral and cowardly?
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I guess we at an impass then. You accused me of saying somthing that I didint and when you were called out you refuse to retract the lie. I won't be engaging with you further on this topic in this case.
 
eaglesdare said:
I guess we at an impass then. You accused me of saying somthing that I didint and when you were called out you refuse to retract the lie. I won't be engaging with you further on this topic in this case.
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We're at an impasse because you clearly can't answer the question - you're running off like a coward, unable to clarify your own disgraceful comments.

How utterly pathetic - you don't even have the balls to own what you said.
 
If Arday had stayed around just a few weeks longer, he might have been offered book and filum deals and TV revenue to portray his story. He would have made considerable income from potential media deals.

time to turn the spotlight on Academia.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
If Arday had stayed around just a few weeks longer, he might have been offered book and filum deals and TV revenue to portray his story. He would have made considerable income from potential media deals.

time to turn the spotlight on Academia.
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When I had him down as some chancer, then yes. This is exactly what I thought. Could have made a great career out of portraying himself as the exposer of the ludicrous system he was able to exploit.

But now...maybe the poor b****** genuinely believed them all when they told him how fine his New Emperors Clothes were?

I am definitely now starting to see him more and more as a victim of the Soc.lib cult that seems to dominate academia.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
If Arday had stayed around just a few weeks longer, he might have been offered book and film deals and TV revenue to portray his story. He would have made considerable income from potential media deals.
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there is still a gap in the market, for some other fecker to plaigiarise his biography. Karma and all that ?
 
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Forest Hillbilly said:
If Arday had stayed around just a few weeks longer, he might have been offered book and filum deals and TV revenue to portray his story. He would have made considerable income from potential media deals.

time to turn the spotlight on Academia.
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It has never been discussed as far as I'm aware but could there have been the possibility of fraud charges?

This was gaining through deception I presume.

I do agree however, his story was certainly worth a lot. I'd suggest his book would have sold absolutely loads. Fiction or non fiction.

Perhaps though it was the negative scrutiny he couldn't take? He seemed to need constant positive reinforcement. And go out of his way to receive it. Eventually realising he could cry wolf and get more attention. Presumably something lacking from a father figure. Just a guess.
 
Matov said:
When I had him down as some chancer, then yes. This is exactly what I thought. Could have made a great career out of portraying himself as the exposer of the ludicrous system he was able to exploit.

But now...maybe the poor b****** genuinely believed them all when they told him how fine his New Emperors Clothes were?

I am definitely now starting to see him more and more as a victim of the Soc.lib cult that seems to dominate academia.
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Have you seen the Carter Ruck letter last September?
 
CPFCSaturn said:
It's clear what you meant, and you've backtracked like a coward ever since.
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No he hasn’t.

YOU associated an inference to his remarks and he set you straight immediately and then a further 3 or four times.

Your inference was incorrect as he only ever associated his comments to Arday and no one else. It wasn’t ambiguous in any way.
 
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ASCPFC said:
It has never been discussed as far as I'm aware but could there have been the possibility of fraud charges?

This was gaining through deception I presume.

I do agree however, his story was certainly worth a lot. I'd suggest his book would have sold absolutely loads. Fiction or non fiction.

Perhaps though it was the negative scrutiny he couldn't take? He seemed to need constant positive reinforcement. And go out of his way to receive it. Eventually realising he could cry wolf and get more attention. Presumably something lacking from a father figure. Just a guess.
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I believe Fraud charges would definitely have followed. There would’ve been a police investigation and it is already clear that he acted dishonestly and received financial gain or caused financial loss to another because of his actions.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Suicide is a topic very close to home for me - I won't expand on that any further, but there is nothing fake about my outrage at the post in question - it's an utterly disgraceful response to someone taking their own life.


I'm as baffled as many others by some of the fallout from his death - a tremendously sad ending, but I don't think the media did anything particularly unusual in pursuing and pushing the story, and clearly there was a hell of a story to follow as a result of Arday's lies and deception.

Obviously you, as ever, are arguing with the imaginary leftist man in your head and have to tell me what 'people like me' think - I know you struggle to form your own opinions, but that doesn't make it true of everyone else.
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Behave. Your opinions are consistantly left wing.

My opinions are fairly unambiguous and definately my own. They just happen to be shared by other sensible people.

Suicide? People do it for all kinds of reasons. One is because they cannot face shame. That doesn't reflect on anyone else who takes their own life for other reasons. Your outrage is completely unnecessary.
 
Phil’s Barber said:
No he hasn’t.

YOU associated an inference to his remarks and he set you straight immediately and then a further 3 or four times.
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I don't know why you're so keen to involve yourself, but the inference is obvious, and further supported by his inability to clarify what specifically about this suicide was cowardly and immoral.

Writing YOU in capital letters just isn't that convincing in response unfortunately.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
I don't know why you're so keen to involve yourself, but the inference is obvious, and further supported by his inability to clarify what specifically about this suicide was cowardly and immoral.

Writing YOU in capital letters just isn't that convincing in response unfortunately.
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I'm happy to clarify. Once you can retract your accusation.
 
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