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eaglesdare said:
I don't think Trump will finish his full term. I can imagine Vance taking over at the end of the year or next year to give himself sometime before an election campaign. But who knows...Trump does love the spotlight so he may stay.

I think traditionally whoever is in power usually looses the midterms anyway? So perhaps the Republicans arnt too bothered about it?
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If the reports are true about Trump's health (and I am not so naive as to glibly assume they are) it could be the 25th amendment that sees Trump off.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
Unless the GOP get rid of Trump asap they are going to get rinsed in the mid-terms.

Epstein, this war and the split within his own base would gift 2028 to the Democrats, not because anyone likes them but purely on Trump having fecked up this second term so badly.....Kind of the same way Starmer was elected.....by default because the Tories had failed so badly.

If both houses are lost in a landslide, then all the DEI, tranny crap, alphabet and anti white crap that the Democrats will mostly keep a lid on during the election campaign but were pushing during the Biden years will come back twice as strong and the borders will be straight back open to god knows how many more millions.
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Yes, if they select Newsom.

No, if they go DEI...
 
silvertop said:
If the reports are true about Trump's health (and I am not so naive as to glibly assume they are) it could be the 25th amendment that sees Trump off.
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Let's be honest....if health didint see Biden off while he was in office. I doubt it would be the same for Trump. But I still can't see him finishing the full term.
 
ASCPFC said:
I don't see him stepping down. Isn't it more likely the term limit will stop him? The 22nd amendment.
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Possibly.

The Democrats stepped up Harris after Biden's melt down and thereby avoided a constitutional issue. The Republicans could do the same with Trump if he publicly demonstrates a similar type of collapse in his health.

The difference with Trump is that, if his faculties deteriorate markedly to the point that he is no longer able to function in his role, would anyone notice a difference?
 
silvertop said:
If the reports are true about Trump's health (and I am not so naive as to glibly assume they are) it could be the 25th amendment that sees Trump off.
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The problem I see with it is it wouldn't give him the opportunity to issue all the pardons he owes to his cronies. More likely seems a deal made with Vance but that may not work because that requires Trump trusting Vance to keep his word and issue him with a pardon. Trump trusts no one.

To be successful it would need to involve quite a big circle who keep it completely quiet, until it's done. Someone would leak it to Trump and the firings would follow.
 
silvertop said:
Possibly.

The Democrats stepped up Harris after Biden's melt down and thereby avoided a constitutional issue. The Republicans could do the same with Trump if he publicly demonstrates a similar type of collapse in his health.

The difference with Trump is that, if his faculties deteriorate markedly to the point that he is no longer able to function in his role, would anyone notice a difference?
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This is a bit unfair.

The Democrats refused to split and instead backed Biden fully right up until they couldn't carry on the lies no longer because of the debate......Even then they didn't split and all backed the word salad queen Harris.

With Trump....you still seem to be suggesting that the Republicans are all square behind Trump? That literally isn't the case. The right are far more principled on that question and there's been a massive split with Trump over the Iran war....which proved the last nail in that coffin's relationship along with Ukraine and Gaza.

The Democrats didn't split over Biden did they.....they waffle on about being against what's happening in Gaza but that didn't result in a split.

Whereas on the right it's literally two camps....Tucker Carlson and co and the White House.
 
silvertop said:
Possibly.

The Democrats stepped up Harris after Biden's melt down and thereby avoided a constitutional issue. The Republicans could do the same with Trump if he publicly demonstrates a similar type of collapse in his health.

The difference with Trump is that, if his faculties deteriorate markedly to the point that he is no longer able to function in his role, would anyone notice a difference?
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There are couple of different ways that the 25th could be invoked, the less likely is Section 4 (Involuntary Removal) as it would require not only the Vice President but the majority of Trump's Cabinet. Trump's Cabinet appointees are loyal to Trump and not to JD Vance.

The more likely way is actually Section 3, where Trump would voluntarily step down. One of two things, one being where he couldn't physically do it anymore. This is probably the less likely of the two ways it could happen in section 3 has Trump's hubris would keep him in if he a vegetable and only capable of communicating through Truth Social AI posts.

The likelier option is Trump thinks that his legacy is in threat of the Democrats winning and he believes the only way to get Vance over the goal line is for Vance to be able to say he is serving as President. The issue is that we won't know who the Democrat nominee is going to be until it is likely too late for that to really help out. There is a chance that a far left socialist Democrat pushes the Democrat nomination into July and still fighting it out with who ever the centrists end up rallying around.

As far as the mid-terms this year, it should have been an absolute blood bath for the Republicans but my read of the tea leaves today is that the Democrats are going to fumble the Senate and we are going to get a 51-49 split with Republicans keeping Alaska and pulling out a surprise win in Michigan. The Democratic Socialists do really well in Democrat primaries because their few, but hard core morons show up but in the general election where the numbers are close to even, the centrist Democrats tend to stay home and the Republicans can pull out the win.
 
silvertop said:
Generally, I would disagree with this. However, my daughter is studying history and English lit for her A-levels (high school diploma??). Her syllabus (that used to be about learning the history and literature of the nation she lives in) concentrates largely on Jamaican history and literature.

You can bet the general theme is slavery, evil colonials etc.

You could argue that we have such a small literature pool to chose from and a very limited history...
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You'd disagree? It really is a what have the Romans done for us

Check outcomes between places who overthrew the colonial elite, those who never had colonial elite, those who embraced it. All very different today. Even south Africa/Zim is a good example
 
Mark B said:
Why would you want her to learn how her ancestors stopped the Atlantic slave trade when she can learn pretend facts about Jamaica instead of how maintains one of the higher homicide and violent crime rates in the Western Hemisphere? Or how its economy fell apart at the end of British Rule because they were too stupid and corrupt to keep it functioning. But reggae, that is the important stuff.

We have the same issue as the number of African American authors is massively overinflated compared to their actual historical significance. Never before have so few claimed so much credit despite doing so little.

To be fair, since you created the English language and Twilight was written in English, you can be blamed for that. Compared to Twilight, maybe reading The Children of Sisyphus isn't a bad choice?
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Jamaica alone earned far more for the crown than the Americas did in 1776
 
Stirlingsays said:
This is a bit unfair.

The Democrats refused to split and instead backed Biden fully right up until they couldn't carry on the lies no longer because of the debate......Even then they didn't split and all backed the word salad queen Harris.

With Trump....you still seem to be suggesting that the Republicans are all square behind Trump? That literally isn't the case. The right are far more principled on that question and there's been a massive split with Trump over the Iran war....which proved the last nail in that coffin's relationship along with Ukraine and Gaza.

The Democrats didn't split over Biden did they.....they waffle on about being against what's happening in Gaza but that didn't result in a split.

Whereas on the right it's literally two camps....Tucker Carlson and co and the White House.
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Biden went

Trump stays

Is that too simplistic?
 
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