Loaned-Out Players

Wonder how pleased the club may be with Brighty for leaking that info before it's been announced 😂
Ha ha - yeah I think the club are unlikely to be surprised by Brighty at this stage, I can imagine a bit of a ‘what are you like’ type of reaction. I love that we still have a link to the Coppell days, though I’m not sure his record of getting the right loan deals is great
 
Wonder how pleased the club may be with Brighty for leaking that info before it's been announced 😂
It was announced by Dundee on Saturday morning and reported by TNT at 11.36 long before Bright mentioned it. Palace fans know the Club are so slow in making announcements that signings etc are known in the Falklands Islands before they become “Official”.
 
It was announced by Dundee on Saturday morning and reported by TNT at 11.36 long before Bright mentioned it. Palace fans know the Club are so slow in making announcements that signings etc are known in the Falklands Islands before they become “Official”.
Fair enough. I don't keep tabs on the Dundee website and was under the impression it hadn't been announced yet!

He didn't seem 100% sure himself either, our Loans Manager 😂 we've only got two out!
 
Watching Owen Goodman in the Celtic V Dundee SPL opener on Sky TV.

Playing ok, nothing he could do about the one Celtic goal so far, free header from 6 yards out. Dundee look poor so he should see plenty of action.
 
Watching Owen Goodman in the Celtic V Dundee SPL opener on Sky TV.

Playing ok, nothing he could do about the one Celtic goal so far, free header from 6 yards out. Dundee look poor so he should see plenty of action.
Fact that Celtic only got one past them in the end, bodes well for him. How did he look for the rest of the game Phil?
 
Much better for him to get regular game time at this important phase of his development
You look at players like Harry Kane, Marc Guehi and many others who made it to the top level though games in the lower leagues.

Hopeful a full season in the championship will either increase his value or produce a first team player for Palace.
 
A good move for Cardines. Going straight to a Championship loan speaks of his quality. He doesn't quite look ready for our first team, but a season in the Championship will give us a good indication of just how good he is.
 
Yes, but how many of ours have ever gone out on loan and come back to palace and played?
There's always a first and as TL says in the post below yours, his first loan is to a Championship club. We want to see more of this from our Academy players, their being good enough to attract interest from the Championship.

Also, it's not just about whether players loaned out are ever going to be good enough to play for us, it's also about whether they're going to be good enough to sell to a Championship club or a decent level club in Europe for a decent fee. Picking up £5m for Imray as we have is a good start. We could well see JRS sold this window for several million and possibly others.

When it was decided to create the Academy system some 15 years ago, it was about clubs producing pathways for promising youngsters to have a chance of making it as a professional player at some level.

One of our graduates (Rob Street) who ended up in the Lower Leagues with Lincoln now plays in the Championship. The Academy system has worked for him, as it has for Malachi Boateng now at Plymouth after a spell in Scotland. Ok, we didn't get much for him( about £450k, I believe), but those of our loans who make a success in the Championship will bring in a reasonable return as Imray has.

As for Cardines, I think he can be a success at Bristol and come back ready to challenge for a spot in our 1st team squad.
 
There's always a first and as TL says in the post below yours, his first loan is to a Championship club. We want to see more of this from our Academy players, their being good enough to attract interest from the Championship.

Also, it's not just about whether players loaned out are ever going to be good enough to play for us, it's also about whether they're going to be good enough to sell to a Championship club or a decent level club in Europe for a decent fee. Picking up £5m for Imray as we have is a good start. We could well see JRS sold this window for several million and possibly others.

When it was decided to create the Academy system some 15 years ago, it was about clubs producing pathways for promising youngsters to have a chance of making it as a professional player at some level.

One of our graduates (Rob Street) who ended up in the Lower Leagues with Lincoln now plays in the Championship. The Academy system has worked for him, as it has for Malachi Boateng now at Plymouth after a spell in Scotland. Ok, we didn't get much for him( about £450k, I believe), but those of our loans who make a success in the Championship will bring in a reasonable return as Imray has.

As for Cardines, I think he can be a success at Bristol and come back ready to challenge for a spot in our 1st team squad.
All of this is perfectly reasonable and, as usual, I find little in what you say to dispute.

Even so, I can't really be happy about how youth football has changed. Footballers, like everyone else, get old and retire, so there will always be a small space for youthful replacements. That used to come from the old fashioned youth teams, now it's from academies. Some might not quite make it at their mother club, but get a chance elsewhere and become pros. None of that has changed.

What has changed is that clubs are compelled to have expensive academies which need to justify themselves financially, FFP and it's successors somehow give extra credit for the sale of youth team products, and kids are subject to an unseemly scramble for their signatures. The better kids move around from club to club.

Of course, it's very important that players like Imray and maybe Rak Sakhi bring in money, but I feel like that's become an aim in itself. What happened to the kid from the local area who grew up at the club and fulfilled a childhood dream by playing in the team?

More to the point as far as Cardines is concerned, I feel that a loan out is far more likely to be an exercise in building value than part of a plan that ends up in him playing here. The regulations make the former more likely. Look at Gallagher at Chelsea. Tonnes of loans, gets in the team, is very wholehearted and, in times gone by, would have been an obvious choice for captain. Instead, he always had a target on his back because he was home grown. Far better to sell him for X amount than to make the same profit on a French or South American player, as it's 'pure' profit.

Perhaps the palace team will one day have a core made up of academy graduates. That's not the way the wind is blowing at the moment, though. All that investment and it just makes growing your own less likely.
 
All of this is perfectly reasonable and, as usual, I find little in what you say to dispute.

Even so, I can't really be happy about how youth football has changed. Footballers, like everyone else, get old and retire, so there will always be a small space for youthful replacements. That used to come from the old fashioned youth teams, now it's from academies. Some might not quite make it at their mother club, but get a chance elsewhere and become pros. None of that has changed.

What has changed is that clubs are compelled to have expensive academies which need to justify themselves financially, FFP and it's successors somehow give extra credit for the sale of youth team products, and kids are subject to an unseemly scramble for their signatures. The better kids move around from club to club.

Of course, it's very important that players like Imray and maybe Rak Sakhi bring in money, but I feel like that's become an aim in itself. What happened to the kid from the local area who grew up at the club and fulfilled a childhood dream by playing in the team?

More to the point as far as Cardines is concerned, I feel that a loan out is far more likely to be an exercise in building value than part of a plan that ends up in him playing here. The regulations make the former more likely. Look at Gallagher at Chelsea. Tonnes of loans, gets in the team, is very wholehearted and, in times gone by, would have been an obvious choice for captain. Instead, he always had a target on his back because he was home grown. Far better to sell him for X amount than to make the same profit on a French or South American player, as it's 'pure' profit.

Perhaps the palace team will one day have a core made up of academy graduates. That's not the way the wind is blowing at the moment, though. All that investment and it just makes growing your own less likely.
Agree with the thrust of this, and at the moment a repeat of the 'Team of the Eighties ', which was packed with talent from our youth team, seems a distant hope.
If we had similar talent these days the likes of Sansom, Gilbert and Nicholas would probably be picked off by the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea before they had even signed professional terms with Palace.

This selling youth for 'pure profit' model has led to Arsenal seeking to offload exceptional youth talent Lewis Skelly for £45 million to contribute towards the funding of Bruno G.
It led to Newcastle selling Anderson.

I think the days of homegrown players coming through the ranks and playing their whole career with one club have essentially gone.
 
Hindolo Mustapha (20) to Notts County season long loan. (Club site)

Hopefully he will get on somewhat better than he did for last year's debacle at Nürnberg followed by West Brom. League One for his second year senior football might be a good place to get things sorted.
That's strange as he was only loaned out to Wigan earlier in the window. His loans have not gone well so far, which doesn't bode well. Let's hope he can make this one work.
 
Hindolo Mustapha (20) to Notts County season long loan. (Club site)

Hopefully he will get on somewhat better than he did for last year's debacle at Nürnberg followed by West Brom. League One for his second year senior football might be a good place to get things sorted.
So he never even made it to the start of the season. BBS are saying it was an attitude problem.

He needs to buck his ideas up 3 failed loans is not a good look.

If he fails at Notts County who is going to want him on loan.
 

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