Loaned-Out Players

TheBigToePunt said:
All of this is perfectly reasonable and, as usual, I find little in what you say to dispute.

Even so, I can't really be happy about how youth football has changed. Footballers, like everyone else, get old and retire, so there will always be a small space for youthful replacements. That used to come from the old fashioned youth teams, now it's from academies. Some might not quite make it at their mother club, but get a chance elsewhere and become pros. None of that has changed.

What has changed is that clubs are compelled to have expensive academies which need to justify themselves financially, FFP and it's successors somehow give extra credit for the sale of youth team products, and kids are subject to an unseemly scramble for their signatures. The better kids move around from club to club.

Of course, it's very important that players like Imray and maybe Rak Sakhi bring in money, but I feel like that's become an aim in itself. What happened to the kid from the local area who grew up at the club and fulfilled a childhood dream by playing in the team?

More to the point as far as Cardines is concerned, I feel that a loan out is far more likely to be an exercise in building value than part of a plan that ends up in him playing here. The regulations make the former more likely. Look at Gallagher at Chelsea. Tonnes of loans, gets in the team, is very wholehearted and, in times gone by, would have been an obvious choice for captain. Instead, he always had a target on his back because he was home grown. Far better to sell him for X amount than to make the same profit on a French or South American player, as it's 'pure' profit.

Perhaps the palace team will one day have a core made up of academy graduates. That's not the way the wind is blowing at the moment, though. All that investment and it just makes growing your own less likely.
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Developing the player achieves both of those things in theory - whether it's for our squad or to boost his value, it's in everyone's interest to develop the player to the highest level possible. I'd argue it's too hard to even know at this stage which outcome is more likely - I think the club just want him to develop.

On Gallagher; I think more to the point he just wasn't good enough for Chelsea - following his loan with us, he had two full seasons with Chelsea playing in 35/38 PL games in 22/23 and 37/38 in 23/24 - they then hired a very possession-based manager in Maresca who had no space for Gallagher in his plans.

Of course the way academy sales show up on the revenue sheet has had a big impact on how clubs make decisions, but when you have a Saka/Foden/James level talent, they still seem to stick around. Gallagher just wasn't that good.
 
doombear said:
That's strange as he was only loaned out to Wigan earlier in the window. His loans have not gone well so far, which doesn't bode well. Let's hope he can make this one work.
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Beginning to look like he's not cut out for it, despite his talent.

3 failed loans with barely a minute played between them... clearly something majorly off with him.
 
Badger11 said:
I think he's it's time to let him go. One report says a sale others say a loan.
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yep, hopefully a sale, as per this article. Tayo is nearly 23 and needs to be playing regularly. Has some talent but not prem league standard. If we can get £500k plus i think that's an ok deal for all parties.

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Crystal Palace are preparing to part ways with academy defender Tayo Adaramola this summer, with Cercle Brugge working on a permanent deal for the 22-year-old. The Belgian Pro League side are understood to be negotiating a fee below €1 million for Adaramola, who is entering the final year of his...
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CPFCSaturn said:
Beginning to look like he's not cut out for it, despite his talent.

3 failed loans with barely a minute played between them... clearly something majorly off with him.
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Considering Mark Bright is meant to be our loan manager/consultant i think some of the loans have been just for the sake of it and not really in the interests of the player.

Hindolo Mustapha was loaned aboard at a very young age. This must be difficult to adjust (language, food etc) and clearly it didn't work out. Then to go straight to WBA was a big ask for a player with no league experience. I would have thought a Div1 or even Div2 team would have been a better choice.

Hopefully it works out for him at Notts C - not sure what could have gone wrong so quickly at Wigan.

I remember thinking some of our loans for Plange were a bit odd too. A young player who needed a confidence boost - let's send him aboard and when that failed then to Carlisle who were struggling at the bottom of Div 1. Not a great place for a striker.
 
palace99 said:
Considering Mark Bright is meant to be our loan manager/consultant i think some of the loans have been just for the sake of it and not really in the interests of the player.

Hindolo Mustapha was loaned aboard at a very young age. This must be difficult to adjust (language, food etc) and clearly it didn't work out. Then to go straight to WBA was a big ask for a player with no league experience. I would have thought a Div1 or even Div2 team would have been a better choice.

Hopefully it works out for him at Notts C - not sure what could have gone wrong so quickly at Wigan.

I remember thinking some of our loans for Plange were a bit odd too. A young player who needed a confidence boost - let's send him aboard and when that failed then to Carlisle who were struggling at the bottom of Div 1. Not a great place for a striker.
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I agree with much of this. These are young players often moving away from their homes and friends, they get homesick or fall in with a bad crowd.

I don't know how Palace do it but at some of the better clubs have these youngsters move in with a local family (fostering if you like) or they pay for the player's own family to rent a home so they have some stability.

If they go to a smaller club (likely) they often get stick from the local club lads "here's comes the big time Charlie from London and the PL he's going to show us how it's all done" etc.

It's not just about kicking a ball.

Some of our loans have been very questionable to say the least.
 
doombear said:
So, another of our previously loaned out players has been sold - Adaramola to Cercle Brugge on a 4 year contract for a fee said to be £650k. Club have confirmed the sale but fee comes from a click bait site.

He was at Palace for 10 years and had a couple of games for the 1st team. Good luck to the lad.
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A 'proper job' for Tayo instead of being messed about by Bright.

He is a lot better than Sosa for example. has been all over the place on loans including winning promotion with Bradford City, quite a power house too.

SP on interview said they had identified Cardines as a first team player for this season, however subsequently he is out on loan.

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Seems Rak Saki might move to one of, Wrexham, or Burnley. Don’t know if either of these can afford him, hopefully one will take him permanently. Fee should be useful.
 
The subject of which club a young player gets loaned out to is interesting. Obviously, to start with, there has to be demand for our player. It doesn't matter what Palace might prefer if nobody wants or needs the player in question. I imagine that is quite a big factor; surely every club would want all its young pros, other perhaps than those who are very close to a first team breakthrough, out on loan playing competitive professional football if possible. There are far more young pros than loan spots, and I imagine there are times when beggars can't be choosers. Perhaps some of our lads have ended up in less than ideal placements as a result.

Where there is a choice of loan opportunities, the decision might come down to style of football as much as standard. I know in the past League 1 or Championship teams who played more technical football seemed to get first dibs on the better players from top academies, for that reason. Even today, the physicality and directness of some lower league teams is so alien to academy football (and to the general style of play in the premier league) that a young loanee from a top club can feel like a fish out of water in such a system, and end up neither learning or contributing anything of value. I suppose we can take that risk more readily if we are loaning a lad out with an eye to selling him, but less so if it is being done for development purposes. If we send a young fullback to Newport County and he mainly learns to smash the ball into the channel then he's probably become less use to us and harmed his chances here.

Finally, there is the matter of trust. Who do we know at the borrowing club? Do we know the player will be played regularly, in his proper position, and taught well? It seemed like Man Utd used to send every kid they had to Antwerp at one stage. I presume that's because of a strong relationship. I'm not sure we yet have something like that.
 
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