Immigration

[Eagle One]

"Do one"? Oh. I just said No to you didn't I?

In any case I told you what people think and you should listen, but no, "do one", from the left wing, despite my very reasonable post

And you can't understand why Farage is popular......lol

I apologise for the do one comment.

The 'no' comment or just trying to convey what people think is not how you came across. You said 'You would think that someone seeing these applicants first hand might realise how much we are weakened with them'. That's pretty much saying that given I've worked on this area you can't understand why I don't have a view more like yours, which respectfully I don't and I'm entitled to.

And as for Farage. I understand why he appeals to a lot of people but maybe not as popular as he himself and others think at the moment. I believe he does have questions to answer and like I said before if a politician from one of the other parties had received £5m in similar circumstances then Reform, Farage and a number of their supporters would bebaying for blood. Or would you deny that?

 

[Eagle One]

Word salad.

What if the people who shouldn't be here number one million? I could well be.
What do you do? Ask them nicely to leave?

If you are a criminal, came here illegally, or came here simply to sponge, then what is controversial about deportation?

What is it in the psyche of some people that they hate themselves so much that they just can't put their own people first?

Is it years of conditioning via the education system, TV and films? Probably.

Quite frankly a word salad of your own.

Since when did I say I'm against deportations of criminals? And why do you then draw conclusions that about hating ourselves so much?

Never said I'm against deportations of criminals or removals of illegals and failed asylum seekers. I support that. What I have said is I am against mass ICE style deportations.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Quite frankly a word salad of your own.

Since when did I say I'm against deportations of criminals? And why do you then draw conclusions that about hating ourselves so much?

Never said I'm against deportations of criminals or removals of illegals and failed asylum seekers. I support that. What I have said is I am against mass ICE style deportations.

What do you mean by that?
Are you suggesting that the people in question will volunteer to go home?

I suspect not.

 

[Glazier#1]

Turns out both sides in apartheid was racist....

South Africa says 53,000 foreigners deported in campaign

South Africa is cracking down on undocumented migrants following widespread anti-immigration protests.

www.bbc.co.uk

Haha! You really do take the biscuit, don't you.

Yes. Apartheid. Where Boers, who had colonised the country not of their birth, ruled the country, separated whites from blacks, ran a police state to keep the indigenous black population down for decade after decade, murdered black opponents for wanting to stop invading immigrants running their country.

Yup, those black, racist B*****.

And now, when South Africans are protesting against immigrants (like you are) , some of them illegal, they are racist.

Now tell me you were being sarcastic.

 

[Eagle One]

You've not read, or understood, anything then. Reform said nothing about mass deportations other than illegals, which you just said you uphold the law. That's what illegal is.

You're just like Dantifa tbh

So who would you count as a illegal then? Reform have also said they'd rip up indefinite leave to remain for many.

 

[Eagle One]

What do you mean by that?
Are you suggesting that the people in question will volunteer to go home?

I suspect not.

Oh FFS of course not but there is a difference between beefing up Immigration Enforcement and being tougher on rights of appeal compared to the mass ICE style force that has created so much animosity and division in the USA.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Oh FFS of course not but there is a difference between beefing up Immigration Enforcement and being tougher on rights of appeal compared to the mass ICE style force that has created so much animosity and division in the USA.

Animosity from illegals and Trump haters, maybe.

Why are you so bothered about all this? What about the rights of normal working people to wake up and feel safe in their own country? What about the extra tax they pay to house these people?

They need to be removed by whatever means is necessary.

 

[Eagle One]

Animosity from illegals and Trump haters, maybe.

Why are you so bothered about all this? What about the rights of normal working people to wake up and feel safe in their own country? What about the extra tax they pay to house these people?

They need to be removed by whatever means is necessary.

Really. It's not just criticism from Trump haters and illegals. ICE killed two people. Even Republican politicians and Trump himself said that ICE actions in minnesota went too far. And even putting aside the killings it's not just attracted criticims from the quarters you state.

I'm sorry if you think removing more illegals is going to be the difference between you waking up and feeling safe, that's straight out of the Reform play book. I mean come on. Yes more should be done to deport foreign national criminals but let's be clear the vast majority of the prison population are Brits.

So let me ask you and other reformers a question in return. If you did get your way and see mass deportations. Would you see that as the cure all for everything?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Really. It's not just criticism from Trump haters and illegals. ICE killed two people. Even Republican politicians and Trump himself said that ICE actions in minnesota went too far. And even putting aside the killings it's not just attracted criticims from the quarters you state.

I'm sorry if you think removing more illegals is going to be the difference between you waking up and feeling safe, I mean come on. Yes more should be done to deport foreign national criminals but let's be clear the vast majority of the prison population are Brits.

So let me ask you and other reformers a question in return. If you did get your way and see mass deportations. What you see that as the cure all for everything?

Those people got killed resisting arrest or interfering with the process? Were their death necessary? Probably not, but you aren't the guy who has to make an on the spot assesment based on your safety and that of your colleagues.

MY personal safety is not my concern. If you cared as much about your family as you seem to about strangers, then perhaps you would understand.

And it is telling that you are proudly telling me that most prisoners in British prisons are British. Wow. How about that.

Your last question is simplistic nonsense. There are plenty of good reasons to deport certain people.
I'll be happy to deal with those. I don't need a 'cure'.

Maybe you need a cure for your upside down priorities.

 

[Eagle One]

Those people got killed resisting arrest or interfering with the process? Were their death necessary? Probably not, but you aren't the guy who has to make an on the spot assesment based on your safety and that of your colleagues.

MY personal safety is not my concern. If you cared as much about your family as you seem to about strangers, then perhaps you would understand.

And it is telling that you are proudly telling me that most prisoners in British prisons are British. Wow. How about that.

Your last question is simplistic nonsense. There are plenty of good reasons to deport certain people.
I'll be happy to deal with those. I don't need a 'cure'.

Maybe you need a cure for your upside down priorities.

And I don't agree with your priorities either but on that I think, and I say it respectfully, we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[eaglesdare]

Really. It's not just criticism from Trump haters and illegals. ICE killed two people. Even Republican politicians and Trump himself said that ICE actions in minnesota went too far. And even putting aside the killings it's not just attracted criticims from the quarters you state.

I'm sorry if you think removing more illegals is going to be the difference between you waking up and feeling safe, that's straight out of the Reform play book. I mean come on. Yes more should be done to deport foreign national criminals but let's be clear the vast majority of the prison population are Brits.

So let me ask you and other reformers a question in return. If you did get your way and see mass deportations. Would you see that as the cure all for everything?

Who knew that if you drive your car towards law enforcement or go to draw a gun while resisting arrest would get you killed?🤦🏻‍♂️

Certainly not a looney lefty anyway 🤦🏻‍♂️

 

[Eagle One]

Who knew that if you drive your car towards law enforcement or go to draw a gun while resisting arrest would get you killed?🤦🏻‍♂️

Certainly not a looney lefty anyway 🤦🏻‍♂️

Where is the video that shows him going to draw his gun? Answer - there isn't one. It was taken off him from under his coat and he was then shot multiple times whilst unarmed.

OK I don't think he should have taken a weapon to a protest but US law is clear you have a right to bear arms, even at a protest.

As for the lady. Very arguable that she charged at the ICE agent at speed and he could simply have got out the way and not reacted with deadly force.

Still let's see what the investigations eventually decide.

 

[eaglesdare]

Where is the video that shows him going to draw his gun? Answer - there isn't one. It was taken off him from under his coat and he was then shot multiple times whilst unarmed.

OK I don't think he should have taken a weapon to a protest but US law is clear you have a right to bear arms, even at a protest.

As for the lady. Very arguable that she charged at the ICE agent at speed and he could simply have got out the way and not reacted with deadly force.

Still let's see what the investigations eventually decide.

Been over this already 😴😴😴

At the end of the day if you follow law enforcement instructions, don't resist arrest or interfere with law enforcement operations then you won't get yourself killed 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[HKOwen]

Really. It's not just criticism from Trump haters and illegals. ICE killed two people. Even Republican politicians and Trump himself said that ICE actions in minnesota went too far. And even putting aside the killings it's not just attracted criticims from the quarters you state.

I'm sorry if you think removing more illegals is going to be the difference between you waking up and feeling safe, that's straight out of the Reform play book. I mean come on. Yes more should be done to deport foreign national criminals but let's be clear the vast majority of the prison population are Brits.

So let me ask you and other reformers a question in return. If you did get your way and see mass deportations. Would you see that as the cure all for everything?

Were those killed during ICE operations just passers by who were unlucky?

 

[Eagle One]

Been over this already 😴😴😴

At the end of the day if you follow law enforcement instructions, don't resist arrest or interfere with law enforcement operations then you won't get yourself killed 🤷🏻‍♂️

As for the yawns, hey you chose to come back on it with a inaccurate statement about the nurse drawing a firearm.

Again have to agree to disagree. There is something called a proportionate reaction in self defence. Even if the nurse was resisting arrest, he was disarmed and outnumbered by ICE agents. He could have been cuffed and immobilesed without being shot mutiple times.

The lady was arguable but again could he have gotten out the way, shoot the tires to make an arrest rather than shoot her through the windscreen mutiple times?

Anyway as I said the investigations will eventually conclude with a judgement.

 

[Glazier#1]

Who knew that if you drive your car towards law enforcement or go to draw a gun while resisting arrest would get you killed?🤦🏻‍♂️

Certainly not a looney lefty anyway 🤦🏻‍♂️

No. Driving away from officers
The gun was never drawn. That's just a fabrication, mate.

 

[Eagle One]

Were those killed during ICE operations just passers by who were unlucky?

Covered this above largely. No of course they weren't but everyone has a right to protest.

Was the reaction of the ICE agents proportionate? As I said the investigations will determine that.

 

[Glazier#1]

Been over this already 😴😴😴

At the end of the day if you follow law enforcement instructions, don't resist arrest or interfere with law enforcement operations then you won't get yourself killed 🤷🏻‍♂️

Blimey! Is that the choice?

If you resist arrest or interfere you're dead!

And you talk about freedom.😳

 

[eaglesdare]

As for the yawns, hey you chose to come back on it with a inaccurate statement about the nurse drawing a firearm.

Again have to agree to disagree. There is something called a proportionate reaction in self defence. Even if the nurse was resisting arrest, he was disarmed and outnumbered by ICE agents. He could have been cuffed and immobilesed without being shot mutiple times.

The lady was arguable but again could he have gotten out the way, shoot the tires to make an arrest rather than shoot her through the windscreen mutiple times?

Anyway as I said the investigations will eventually conclude with a judgement.

The nurse went to draw his firearm. He didint know it was taken and the other officers did not know it was taken. A lack of communication there.

Tragic circumstances all around. Ice agents could have taken a moment. But I certainly wouldn't get myself in those situations. Would you?

But yes I'm happy to agree to disagree with you. 👍🏻

 

[Glazier#1]

Were those killed during ICE operations just passers by who were unlucky?

Well, they weren't passers by but they certainly were unlucky in meeting inadequately trained agents.