Immigration
- Topic starter Rudi Hedman
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if you're presumptuous, you're presumptuous
Anyway, 'doesn't have much' is a nebulous statement.
Last night I went to to sleep in an actual bed, woke up with a roof over my head, had a lovely hot shower and ate more for my breakfast than some people in the world will eat in a week.
I live like a prince.
Stirlingsays
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It's a fair enough observation.
To be born an Englishman, is to have won the lottery of life.
Once upon a time much more so.
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Spindle
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He isn't. He's a reaction, and a consequence of the left and their pro immigration strategy being opposed but those people ignored.
If you truly believe in democracy then you'd listen to others without writing them off as you seem to have. And if Farage doesn't get in and manage it someone else will who you'll dislike even more.
You may have no problem with the destruction of our culture, you might just be a REMF and just not experience it yet, but you should listen to what others are saying and understand why.
You would think that someone seeing these applicants first hand might realise how much we are weakened with them.
Spindle
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It's honestly infuriating. He'll be treated better in HMP than anywhere else, then deported a free man.
Should NEVER have been allowed in. So much for "enforcing the rules"
Spindle
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Yes, and I want to keep it that way.
Spindle
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I think that if you vote Restore you should be exempt from paying for immigrants in every respect.
See how you lot vote then.
Eagle One
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I recognise immigration is an emotive subject and I've respected views of others. I've said very clearly I'm in favour of taking action against people who have no right to be here, what I don't agree with is mass ICE style deportations.
And yes I saw first hand the good, the bad and the downright ugly, sometimes, under very difficult conditions, when I used to work in that area. So I base my views on lived in direct experience and not tarring everyone with the same brush, rather than subscribe to the view you suggest I should have. If you can't respect that then I suggest you do one.
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Eagle One
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And on your other points don't start throwing out the presumption that I've not listened and considered Reform. Of course I have, not just on immigration but their other policies too same as other party manifestos, probably far more than the average person. I've actually not commented virtually at all on any Reform policy other than say I'm against mass deportations.
My issue a lot is with Farage himself, his presentation of being there for the average Joe and being anti-estalishment. All the while taking a £5m gift that if it had gone to anyone else in any other political party would have all Reform members jumping up and down and demanding blood (and I would be too). But because it's Nigel, it's OK.
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My policies:
1. Asylum seekers must provide proof of identity before the legal process can start. This is to stop people destroying their documentation and meaning Immigration have to prove their country of origin and real age. NO proof out you go. The proof must lie with the claimant.
2. Any person granted leave to stay will have it automatically revoked if found guilty of a serious criminal offence (I don't mean not paying your BBC licence).
3. Any person convicted of any offence say up to 2 years will instead be deported immediately rather than serve jail time. The left should be happy with this as they say jail time doesn't work.
4. The interpretation of asylum to be narrowed back to where it was post war. It should only refer to state persecution. Example Jamaicans claiming they are gay will not be accepted. The Jamaican government does not persecute gays as a policy (Iran does). Criminals cannot claim because other criminals back home might hurt them etc. Many people have hard lives that is not a reason to grant asylum.
5. All new asylum claims to be settled within 1 month (other country doe this). The proof lies with the applicant not the state, no proof out you go. The appeal process to be taken away from the courts. Multiple appeals to be denied e.g. claimant says they are Mr A from Country B it's denied so they then say they are Mr B from country C.
6. Taxpayer money for asylum seekers to be strictly defined. In other words councils and other public institutions to be banned from giving freebies.
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1. Asylum seekers must provide proof of identity before the legal process can start. This is to stop people destroying their documentation and meaning Immigration have to prove their country of origin and real age. NO proof out you go. The proof must lie with the claimant.
2. Any person granted leave to stay will have it automatically revoked if found guilty of a serious criminal offence (I don't mean not paying your BBC licence).
3. Any person convicted of any offence say up to 2 years will instead be deported immediately rather than serve jail time. The left should be happy with this as they say jail time doesn't work.
4. The interpretation of asylum to be narrowed back to where it was post war. It should only refer to state persecution. Example Jamaicans claiming they are gay will not be accepted. The Jamaican government does not persecute gays as a policy (Iran does). Criminals cannot claim because other criminals back home might hurt them etc. Many people have hard lives that is not a reason to grant asylum.
5. All new asylum claims to be settled within 1 month (other country doe this). The proof lies with the applicant not the state, no proof out you go. The appeal process to be taken away from the courts. Multiple appeals to be denied e.g. claimant says they are Mr A from Country B it's denied so they then say they are Mr B from country C.
6. Taxpayer money for asylum seekers to be strictly defined. In other words councils and other public institutions to be banned from giving freebies.
etc.
Eagle One
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Agree with a fair bit of what you say but to make some points:
1. Don't disagree with your position being a presumption to a degree but the issue sometimes with genuine refugees is that they can't get passports or ID. But that is one of the purposes of interviewing asylum seekers, to determine the genuine from the economic migrant.
2.That is pretty much the case already. Rules on this were tightened about 20 years ago but some loopholes like the coverage from yesterday unfortunately still exist.
5. You will need a lot more caseworkers to meet a one month turnaround time than there are currently. Taking the appeals away from the courts, to do that you'll need to create a whole new separate system likely millions of pounds for arguably little gain. What would be the gain here in your view compared to spending those millions on new hospitals or schools for example?
It's the endless appeals in the legal system, plus the current backlog of legal cases (not just immigration).
I expect that currently once a lawyer lodges an asylum request the first thing they will do is request a continuance to prepare their case. A bit like a team winning a game slow it down. It's then delay delay and appeal after appeal. Other countries don't put up with this nonsense.
Eagle One
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Don't disagree with what you say about delays but what would you replace the current appeals system with? It will still need legal input of some description.
Ambition has been to streamline appeals and limit JR but still a long way from getting to a fast turnaround system.
Deported? I doubt it
Spindle
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Turns out both sides in apartheid was racist....
www.bbc.co.uk
South Africa says 53,000 foreigners deported in campaign
South Africa is cracking down on undocumented migrants following widespread anti-immigration protests.
www.bbc.co.uk
Spindle
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"Do one"? Oh. I just said No to you didn't I?
In any case I told you what people think and you should listen, but no, "do one", from the left wing, despite my very reasonable post
And you can't understand why Farage is popular......lol
Spindle
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You've not read, or understood, anything then. Reform said nothing about mass deportations other than illegals, which you just said you uphold the law. That's what illegal is.
You're just like Dantifa tbh
If people are in the country illegally they need to go, it's that simple.
Benefits should not be paid to foreign nationals or overseas, neither should they get social housing.
If they can't support themselves, again deported.
Btw, " do one " is a stock phrase for key board warriors who would not say it in person.
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Word salad.
What if the people who shouldn't be here number one million? I could well be.
What do you do? Ask them nicely to leave?
If you are a criminal, came here illegally, or came here simply to sponge, then what is controversial about deportation?
What is it in the psyche of some people that they hate themselves so much that they just can't put their own people first?
Is it years of conditioning via the education system, TV and films? Probably.