Grooming gangs

Labour must have a spectacularly low threshold if Lammy passed the cognitive ability test. Maybe he got a colouring in assignment instead.
Diane Abbott set the bar very low indeed. Which is surprising, seeing that both Abbott and Lammy would struggle to get under the bar, what with girth issues, if it hadn't been for their distinctive markings.
 
You cannot trust the electorate can you? ...but that is democracy they have passed the test of the ballot box.... you do sometimes talk a lot of ballots!
And the fact that many will vote on party lines regardless of the candidate has no bearing whatsoever. A job for which no qualifications or experience are required? How can that fail to provide the best of the best?
 
And the fact that many will vote on party lines regardless of the candidate has no bearing whatsoever. A job for which no qualifications or experience are required? How can that fail to provide the best of the best?
Very hard to gain Parliamentary experience before being elected, I would suggest Black Rod's job but there is only one of 'em. I couldn't ask Lammy do you want to be a Black Rod?
 
Very hard to gain Parliamentary experience before being elected, I would suggest Black Rod's job but there is only one of 'em. I couldn't ask Lammy do you want to be a Black Rod?
Once upon a time politicians started off in local government or they had real life management skills e.g. trade union leader, business owner, doctor military officer etc.

My current MP's only qualification appears to be that he is Sue Gray's son so she ensured he was parachuted into the job.
 
Once upon a time politicians started off in local government or they had real life management skills e.g. trade union leader, business owner, doctor military officer etc.

My current MP's only qualification appears to be that he is Sue Gray's son so she ensured he was parachuted into the job.
Lammy Was mentioned earlier I believe he is a solicitor but being an M.P. is really about learning on the job. Conlon did a few years in local government as you suggest it is some sort of start.
 
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That wasn't your definition of insanity though. Yours was a difference in political opinion. I was sticking up for you that you weren't being a silly billy though, don't undo my hard work.
 
85% of them are white.


‘In terms of group-based offences, 85% of suspects are white, while 7% are Asian and 5% are black.

According to the 2021 census, 82% of the England and Wales population is white, compared with 9% Asian, 4% black and 2% mixed/other.’

The facts are rarely convenient, are they?

I asked Grok to comment on what you wrote here:

The claim mixes broad national data on group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE) with the specific phenomenon of "grooming gangs" (street-based, organised group exploitation of vulnerable girls, often involving taxis, takeaways, drugs, alcohol, and coercion). This creates a misleading impression.

news.sky.com
The Sky News Data (Accurate but Contextual)The article correctly reports from police data (likely the Complex and Organised Child Abuse Dataset or similar for 2023):
  • For group-based offences (a category including but broader than classic grooming gangs): ~85% of suspects white, 7% Asian, 5% Black.
  • This roughly tracks the England & Wales population (82% White, 9% Asian, 4% Black per 2021 Census).
However, major caveats apply:
  • Ethnicity is not recorded for a huge share of cases—often 2/3 of perpetrators nationally (per the 2025 Baroness Casey national audit). Data quality is poor.

    gov.uk
  • "Group-based CSE" includes many types: pairs of offenders, peer-on-peer (children abusing children, which is common), online-facilitated, familial networks, etc. Only a small fraction (~3-4% of all CSAE) fits the high-profile "grooming gang" model.

    theguardian.com
  • National aggregates dilute local patterns.
The Specific "Grooming Gang" PhenomenonHigh-profile scandals (Rotherham ~1,400 victims, Rochdale, Oxford, Telford, etc.) repeatedly showed disproportionate involvement of men of Pakistani heritage (often British-Pakistani):
  • Rotherham inquiries: Majority of known perpetrators Pakistani heritage.

    en.wikipedia.org
  • Greater Manchester, West/South Yorkshire local data: Asian (mostly Pakistani) men over-represented among suspects in multi-victim/multi-offender cases (e.g., 52% Asian vs. 38% White in one audit; roughly double the expected rate in some police force areas).

    en.wikipedia.org
  • Quilliam report (2017): Claimed 84% South Asian in grooming gangs (criticised for methodology but directionally aligned with local convictions).
  • Casey audit (2025): Explicitly notes "disproportionate numbers of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds" in the key areas with historic problems, while criticising national data gaps and past institutional reluctance to examine ethnicity.

    gov.uk
Victims in these cases were overwhelmingly White British girls from vulnerable backgrounds (care system, troubled homes). Authorities often failed to act due to fears of "racism" accusations, political correctness, or community tensions—this was a documented systemic failure in multiple independent inquiries.

en.wikipedia.org
Why the Discrepancy?
  • Most child sexual abuse is by lone White offenders (often familial or acquaintance), so broad stats show White majority. This said sexual abuse within Muslims traditions is considered much more common than is reported.

  • The organised street grooming model in certain towns showed cultural patterns: insularity, specific attitudes toward White girls ("easy meat," lower status in some subcultural views), taxi/private hire dominance in some communities, and group dynamics. Not representative of all Asians/Pakistanis (the vast majority are law-abiding), but a real over-representation in this crime type in affected areas.
  • Poor data collection historically obscured this; recent pushes for better recording (ethnicity mandatory) aim to fix it.
The facts are inconvenient for multiple narratives:
  • Denying any ethnic pattern ignores convictions, local data, and inquiries.
  • Claiming "85% White so it's not an issue for certain communities" conflates categories and downplays preventable failures in specific hotspots.
  • No group has a monopoly on evil; child sexual abuse occurs across all demographics. But pretending patterns don't exist hinders prevention, victim protection, and community accountability (cultural/religious factors like attitudes to non-Muslim girls have been noted in reports).
The Sky quote is technically true for broad group-based stats but doesn't refute the over-representation in the classic grooming gang cases that shocked the public. Better data collection (as now mandated) is the way forward, not avoidance. The priority must be protecting children regardless of perpetrator background.
 
I asked Grok to comment on what you wrote here:

The claim mixes broad national data on group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE) with the specific phenomenon of "grooming gangs" (street-based, organised group exploitation of vulnerable girls, often involving taxis, takeaways, drugs, alcohol, and coercion). This creates a misleading impression.

news.sky.com
The Sky News Data (Accurate but Contextual)The article correctly reports from police data (likely the Complex and Organised Child Abuse Dataset or similar for 2023):
  • For group-based offences (a category including but broader than classic grooming gangs): ~85% of suspects white, 7% Asian, 5% Black.
  • This roughly tracks the England & Wales population (82% White, 9% Asian, 4% Black per 2021 Census).
However, major caveats apply:
  • Ethnicity is not recorded for a huge share of cases—often 2/3 of perpetrators nationally (per the 2025 Baroness Casey national audit). Data quality is poor.

    gov.uk
  • "Group-based CSE" includes many types: pairs of offenders, peer-on-peer (children abusing children, which is common), online-facilitated, familial networks, etc. Only a small fraction (~3-4% of all CSAE) fits the high-profile "grooming gang" model.

    theguardian.com
  • National aggregates dilute local patterns.
The Specific "Grooming Gang" PhenomenonHigh-profile scandals (Rotherham ~1,400 victims, Rochdale, Oxford, Telford, etc.) repeatedly showed disproportionate involvement of men of Pakistani heritage (often British-Pakistani):
  • Rotherham inquiries: Majority of known perpetrators Pakistani heritage.

    en.wikipedia.org
  • Greater Manchester, West/South Yorkshire local data: Asian (mostly Pakistani) men over-represented among suspects in multi-victim/multi-offender cases (e.g., 52% Asian vs. 38% White in one audit; roughly double the expected rate in some police force areas).

    en.wikipedia.org
  • Quilliam report (2017): Claimed 84% South Asian in grooming gangs (criticised for methodology but directionally aligned with local convictions).
  • Casey audit (2025): Explicitly notes "disproportionate numbers of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds" in the key areas with historic problems, while criticising national data gaps and past institutional reluctance to examine ethnicity.

    gov.uk
Victims in these cases were overwhelmingly White British girls from vulnerable backgrounds (care system, troubled homes). Authorities often failed to act due to fears of "racism" accusations, political correctness, or community tensions—this was a documented systemic failure in multiple independent inquiries.

en.wikipedia.org
Why the Discrepancy?
  • Most child sexual abuse is by lone White offenders (often familial or acquaintance), so broad stats show White majority. This said sexual abuse within Muslims traditions is considered much more common than is reported.

  • The organised street grooming model in certain towns showed cultural patterns: insularity, specific attitudes toward White girls ("easy meat," lower status in some subcultural views), taxi/private hire dominance in some communities, and group dynamics. Not representative of all Asians/Pakistanis (the vast majority are law-abiding), but a real over-representation in this crime type in affected areas.
  • Poor data collection historically obscured this; recent pushes for better recording (ethnicity mandatory) aim to fix it.
The facts are inconvenient for multiple narratives:
  • Denying any ethnic pattern ignores convictions, local data, and inquiries.
  • Claiming "85% White so it's not an issue for certain communities" conflates categories and downplays preventable failures in specific hotspots.
  • No group has a monopoly on evil; child sexual abuse occurs across all demographics. But pretending patterns don't exist hinders prevention, victim protection, and community accountability (cultural/religious factors like attitudes to non-Muslim girls have been noted in reports).
The Sky quote is technically true for broad group-based stats but doesn't refute the over-representation in the classic grooming gang cases that shocked the public. Better data collection (as now mandated) is the way forward, not avoidance. The priority must be protecting children regardless of perpetrator background.

Still trusting Elon’s child sex image creating robot that’s literally been programmed to give you online right the answers you want are you?
 
Still trusting Elon’s child sex image creating robot that’s literally been programmed to give you online right the answers you want are you?
It actually says in the link you provided that in only 29% of cases ethnicity was recorded. So 71% of cases there is no way of knowing.
With such a big percentage missing I see no reason for even publishing the report, it provides no meaningful information.
 

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