Grooming gangs

ouzo said:
It actually says in the link you provided that in only 29% of cases ethnicity was recorded. So 71% of cases there is no way of knowing.
With such a big percentage missing I see no reason for even publishing the report, it provides no meaningful information.
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It’s still plenty of data to understand trends.
 
beak said:
Very hard to gain Parliamentary experience before being elected, I would suggest Black Rod's job but there is only one of 'em. I couldn't ask Lammy do you want to be a Black Rod?
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Just checking. This is same Lammy who's been an MP for 26 years, been foreign secretary and is the current deputy Prime Minister and Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor? Sure, he's a real newbie.
 
If the trial was successful in producing a 'guilty' verdict, I wonder if the prosecution would pursue the aggravated inclusion of 'racism' playing a part in the attack ? This would produce a longer sentence. However, it only seems to be invoked when white people are the criminals.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I asked Grok to comment on what you wrote here:

The claim mixes broad national data on group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE) with the specific phenomenon of "grooming gangs" (street-based, organised group exploitation of vulnerable girls, often involving taxis, takeaways, drugs, alcohol, and coercion). This creates a misleading impression.

news.sky.com
The Sky News Data (Accurate but Contextual)The article correctly reports from police data (likely the Complex and Organised Child Abuse Dataset or similar for 2023):
  • For group-based offences (a category including but broader than classic grooming gangs): ~85% of suspects white, 7% Asian, 5% Black.
  • This roughly tracks the England & Wales population (82% White, 9% Asian, 4% Black per 2021 Census).
However, major caveats apply:
  • Ethnicity is not recorded for a huge share of cases—often 2/3 of perpetrators nationally (per the 2025 Baroness Casey national audit). Data quality is poor.

    gov.uk
  • "Group-based CSE" includes many types: pairs of offenders, peer-on-peer (children abusing children, which is common), online-facilitated, familial networks, etc. Only a small fraction (~3-4% of all CSAE) fits the high-profile "grooming gang" model.

    theguardian.com
  • National aggregates dilute local patterns.
The Specific "Grooming Gang" PhenomenonHigh-profile scandals (Rotherham ~1,400 victims, Rochdale, Oxford, Telford, etc.) repeatedly showed disproportionate involvement of men of Pakistani heritage (often British-Pakistani):
  • Rotherham inquiries: Majority of known perpetrators Pakistani heritage.

    en.wikipedia.org
  • Greater Manchester, West/South Yorkshire local data: Asian (mostly Pakistani) men over-represented among suspects in multi-victim/multi-offender cases (e.g., 52% Asian vs. 38% White in one audit; roughly double the expected rate in some police force areas).

    en.wikipedia.org
  • Quilliam report (2017): Claimed 84% South Asian in grooming gangs (criticised for methodology but directionally aligned with local convictions).
  • Casey audit (2025): Explicitly notes "disproportionate numbers of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds" in the key areas with historic problems, while criticising national data gaps and past institutional reluctance to examine ethnicity.

    gov.uk
Victims in these cases were overwhelmingly White British girls from vulnerable backgrounds (care system, troubled homes). Authorities often failed to act due to fears of "racism" accusations, political correctness, or community tensions—this was a documented systemic failure in multiple independent inquiries.

en.wikipedia.org
Why the Discrepancy?
  • Most child sexual abuse is by lone White offenders (often familial or acquaintance), so broad stats show White majority. This said sexual abuse within Muslims traditions is considered much more common than is reported.

  • The organised street grooming model in certain towns showed cultural patterns: insularity, specific attitudes toward White girls ("easy meat," lower status in some subcultural views), taxi/private hire dominance in some communities, and group dynamics. Not representative of all Asians/Pakistanis (the vast majority are law-abiding), but a real over-representation in this crime type in affected areas.
  • Poor data collection historically obscured this; recent pushes for better recording (ethnicity mandatory) aim to fix it.
The facts are inconvenient for multiple narratives:
  • Denying any ethnic pattern ignores convictions, local data, and inquiries.
  • Claiming "85% White so it's not an issue for certain communities" conflates categories and downplays preventable failures in specific hotspots.
  • No group has a monopoly on evil; child sexual abuse occurs across all demographics. But pretending patterns don't exist hinders prevention, victim protection, and community accountability (cultural/religious factors like attitudes to non-Muslim girls have been noted in reports).
The Sky quote is technically true for broad group-based stats but doesn't refute the over-representation in the classic grooming gang cases that shocked the public. Better data collection (as now mandated) is the way forward, not avoidance. The priority must be protecting children regardless of perpetrator background.
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It also doesn't account for the MAJORITY of grooming gangs that we know operate elsewhere around the country which have not been brought to justice yet. These figures are the convicted only.
 
Spindle said:
It also doesn't account for the MAJORITY of grooming gangs that we know operate elsewhere around the country which have not been brought to justice yet. These figures are the convicted only.
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Anyone who actually has experience in the rape gang problem that is interviewed always emphasises it is still going on but has tweaked the method, apparently a lot is organised out of gyms now
 
DanH said:
85% of them are white.


‘In terms of group-based offences, 85% of suspects are white, while 7% are Asian and 5% are black.

According to the 2021 census, 82% of the England and Wales population is white, compared with 9% Asian, 4% black and 2% mixed/other.’

The facts are rarely convenient, are they?
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And what percentage of Asians are Pakistani Muslims? Less than 3%.

Even sensible Muslim spokesman accept the failure of Muslim leaders to acknowledge the problems within the so called Muslim community.

You are an idealist delusional and not too bright. It pains me to see people so desperate to avoid the obvious simply to defend an ideological position. You really are the problem.
 
to deny whats been occurring for decades, regarding grooming, which is way too soft a term, is either stupid or despicable.
Political views should not be akin to footy loyalty , where one brazenly refuses to face being wrong.
Ive changed my vote on 3 occasions over 45 odd years of being eligible, either because it suited me or I knew id f***ed up (Blair)
The current stats and god awful statements coming out from RL's enquiry are more than horrific.
To deny or attempt to defend the scum / so called communities carrying out these acts is...Vile.
Im lost for words.
 
I find a lot of news relating to these cases are not very comprehensive and you have to really search far beyond the main headlines to find any information.
Another indication that the media approach appears to be influenced. similarly to the judicial and policing systems, by Governmental policy.

Where is the outrage that followed the Stephen Lawrence case ? The hounding and in-depth reporting on the suspects ? The media quest for justice and to hold those accountable ?
 
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