Immigration

[Glazier#1]

Where did I say that?

What I'm doing is heading off your attempt to deflect from the real issue. Mass immigration is killing this country.
What happened in Belfast over the last two nights is just a little preview of far worse to come in the future unless we change course.

You hope.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

like criminal things such as arriving illegally on UK shores, then committing crimes such as rape, drug dealing, theft, then being put in prison at further expense to the tax-payer

I'm not sure I understand your point - I think all people engaged in criminal behaviour should be punished.

 

[Jordan555x]

Why do so many of you speak like this 🤣

It's dropped by almost 50% in a year - that's incredibly steep. You know this as well as I do, and so does everyone else.

Does that deal with the problem already here? No. And no I am not suggesting we start deporting innocent people before you jump to conclusions.

 

[Spiderman]

If there's less claims there's less people going into the system, obviously.

I think once you get to just outright disbelieving official figures, there is little basis for discussion.

Having worked for the HO and Border Force for over 30 years, please forgive me if I do not believe official figures, often manipulated….fact

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Does that deal with the problem already here? No. And no I am not suggesting we start deporting innocent people before you jump to conclusions.

So what are you suggesting?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Having worked for the HO and Border Force for over 30 years, please forgive me if I do not believe official figures, often manipulated….fact

Did you work for the border force!? You should've mentioned 🤣

 

[ASCPFC]

So what are you suggesting?

I actually think it would be fair to offer people a chance. Register everyone properly when they enter. Have strict interviews/ investigations within an agreed timeframe. Then if problematic, or even not supporting themselves, unfortunately time to go. No matter where you're from.
As for asylum seekers. Simply keep them safe from harm. No other supports. Give them immediate leave to work. Similar scenario.
There are countless solutions the government won't consider because they are ruled by ideology. People can probably think of fairer solutions than mine.
Anyone not admitting where they're from or impersonating a child: immediate removal to where they originated on the journey.
Any criminal activity of a certain threshold, leave to remain for them and all dependants revoked.
Is that fascist?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Why the f*** do you think I care about 'deflecting' anything? Are you so self-important you think your incredibly low-level posts on a Crystal Palace forum are impacting the national conversation?

So now you want to make it personal. Nice try.

I don't think anything we do will impact on anything except maybe at the ballot box.

 

[DanH]

The argument is not about the merits of rioting. The question is about where the blame lies. Who is ultimately responsible.

You and I both know the answer whether you admit it or not.

It’s with the people torching houses. Stop trying to excuse their actions.

 

[Jordan555x]

So what are you suggesting?

My position is exactly this.
A red list of countries who's citizens are banned from entering the UK. Regarding some countries it simply not worth the risks that come with it.

Mass deportations of illegals, criminals, piss takers and spongers.
They are guests in our country, they have a duty to behave to the highest standards in which they are a benefit to our country. It is not our duty to take in the world's problems. We are allowed to be extremely selective in who we decide to let in and more importantly stay.

Something that serves our interests, not destroys them.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

It’s with the people torching houses. Stop trying to excuse their actions.

Deflection don't work boys.

 

[Jordan555x]

It’s with the people torching houses. Stop trying to excuse their actions.

You are struggling with the consequences but love the cause. Got it.

 

[Glazier#1]

So now you want to make it personal. Nice try.

I don't think anything we do will impact on anything except maybe at the ballot box.

This coming from a guy who messaged me personally just to insult me.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

As a group of countries, the UK, a country with is traditions, heritage, geographical position and position in world politics.
Has any other country run everything into the ground over the last, say 50 years, a multitude of political no hopers from all parties, to become the cesspit it has become, are there other country's that have gone backwards so fast, or are the UK in a league of their own, maybe France?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I actually think it would be fair to offer people a chance. Register everyone properly when they enter. Have strict interviews/ investigations within an agreed timeframe. Then if problematic, or even not supporting themselves, unfortunately time to go. No matter where you're from.
As for asylum seekers. Simply keep them safe from harm. No other supports. Give them immediate leave to work. Similar scenario.
There are countless solutions the government won't consider because they are ruled by ideology. People can probably think of fairer solutions than mine.
Anyone not admitting where they're from or impersonating a child: immediate removal to where they originated on the journey.
Any criminal activity of a certain threshold, leave to remain for them and all dependants revoked.
Is that fascist?

I don't think those measures have much material impact on population size in the short term, which is what I was questioning, but I appreciate the response.

What does the bit in bold mean? They've halved immigration in a year - ideology didn't seem to stand in the way of that. What ideology are they ruled by?

 

[Jordan555x]

As a group of countries, the UK, a country with is traditions, heritage, geographical position and position in world politics.
Has any other country run everything into the ground over the last, say 50 years, a multitude of political no hopers from all parties, to become the cesspit it has become, are there other country's that have gone backwards so fast, or are the UK in a league of their own, maybe France?

Sweden, Spain and Italy are up there. Probably not as bad as us but no surprises the political landscape is shifting to the right in Spain and Sweden, Italy is already there. People are well and truly fed up with this progressive libtard ideology.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

My position is exactly this.
A red list of countries who's citizens are banned from entering the UK. Regarding some countries it simply not worth the risks that come with it.

Mass deportations of illegals, criminals, piss takers and spongers.
They are guests in our country, they have a duty to behave to the highest standards in which they are a benefit to our country. It is not our duty to take in the world's problems. We are allowed to be extremely selective in who we decide to let in and more importantly stay.

Something that serves our interests, not destroys them.

I think much of this sounds emotionally satisfying but becomes much harder when you turn them into actual policy - how do you define a 'piss taker' etc.

I don't disagree with the sentiment per se, but I don't think those are enforceable policy ideas.

 

[HKOwen]

Quoting someone else doesn’t masquerade your own intellectual inadequacies, Georgie boy.

So to be clear, you own a business that employs close to 100 people, I may have got the wrong end of the stick by flicking through the posts.

 

[Jordan555x]

I think much of this sounds emotionally satisfying but becomes much harder when you turn them into actual policy - how do you define a 'piss taker' etc.

I don't disagree with the sentiment per se, but I don't think those are enforceable policy ideas.

I believe this country can be fixed and I do not believe this country is a lost cause. It won't be easy but nobody ever said it would be.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I believe this country can be fixed and I do not believe this country is a lost cause. It won't be easy but nobody ever said it would be.

I don't believe so either, but I also don't think changes to our immigration policy alone are going to materially improve people's lives the way they seem to think. I think the last 12m supports that.

We have far bigger national issues, in my opinion.