Next manager poll

[TheBigToePunt]

PSR is being replaced by SCR (Squad Cost Ratio).
For clubs competing in Europe, spending is capped at 70% of football-related revenue. For clubs playing only domestically, the cap is 85%.

Yes, even before this, qualifying for Europe exposed English clubs to a slightly tighter set of financial rules I believe. All of which makes it critical to sell well if we want to spend. That's probably the biggest reason not to let the manager choose the signings - he (whoever it may be at the time) will inevitably want ready-made players who cost more and have less sell-on value. The club generally need the opposite. Mind you, whether anyone told this to whoever signed Larsen and Johnson is unclear!

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

PSR is being replaced by SCR (Squad Cost Ratio).
For clubs competing in Europe, spending is capped at 70% of football-related revenue. For clubs playing only domestically, the cap is 85%.

I'm so glad the parameters have been so much better quantified, and there is now no possible room for financial moving of partitions or bending of the rules. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[NEILLO]

Yes, even before this, qualifying for Europe exposed English clubs to a slightly tighter set of financial rules I believe. All of which makes it critical to sell well if we want to spend. That's probably the biggest reason not to let the manager choose the signings - he (whoever it may be at the time) will inevitably want ready-made players who cost more and have less sell-on value. The club generally need the opposite. Mind you, whether anyone told this to whoever signed Larsen and Johnson is unclear!

It was reported that if Iraola accepted the Palace job he would be given a big say ( define that though ! ) in our transfer dealings.

 

[Frickin Saweet]

The dialogue between the club and Sage must be interesting.

He would be entitled to point out that the club has lost it's best defender (Guehi), it's most threatening attacking player(Eze) and may well lose it's most fliud midfield player (Kamada) and most reliable goalscorer in recent seasons (Mateta).

These are/were key and proven players and the squad is/will be weaker without them.
Surely this is beyond dispute.

In a way you are in your most powerful negotiating position when the club wants you to join as manager so now is the time to get guarantees about getting quality players in who are ready to hit the ground running.

Some might argue Canvot has replaced Guehi, Pino has replaced Eze and that Larsen will replace Mateta.
To me that's a stretch, and while hopefully they may go some way to doing this in time, at the moment they are frankly not at the same level.

'just' lost Eze and Guehi is a bit of a stretch. We've more than moved on from those players. So what we're talking about is the possibility of two players leaving. That's hardly out of the ordinary for a squad to have some turnover of players, and I doubt this is as big a talking point as you think.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

'just' lost Eze and Guehi is a bit of a stretch. We've more than moved on from those players. So what we're talking about is the possibility of two players leaving. That's hardly out of the ordinary for a squad to have some turnover of players, and I doubt this is as big a talking point as you think.

Getting replacements in would be a very interesting discussion , though

 

[Frickin Saweet]

Getting replacements in would be a very interesting discussion , though

It's hardly anything out of the ordinary though is it. 'New manager discusses squad ins and outs with potential new club'. Like, it would be odd if that wasn't discussed.

 

[PatrickA]

'just' lost Eze and Guehi is a bit of a stretch. We've more than moved on from those players. So what we're talking about is the possibility of two players leaving. That's hardly out of the ordinary for a squad to have some turnover of players, and I doubt this is as big a talking point as you think.

Didn't say 'just lost' Guehi abd Eze.
The comparison was with the beginning of last season.
If you think we're better off without Guehi and Eze you must have been watching different games to me.
Similarly, if you think our squad is stronger you have been watching different games.
We're talking about key players leaving, not squad players

 

[Teddy Eagle]

'just' lost Eze and Guehi is a bit of a stretch. We've more than moved on from those players. So what we're talking about is the possibility of two players leaving. That's hardly out of the ordinary for a squad to have some turnover of players, and I doubt this is as big a talking point as you think.

You're right but there's also the emotional factor, particularly in Eze's case; watching him on form was a joyful experience. And he scored a few goals.

 

[doombear]

The dialogue between the club and Sage must be interesting.

He would be entitled to point out that the club has lost it's best defender (Guehi), it's most threatening attacking player(Eze) and may well lose it's most fliud midfield player (Kamada) and most reliable goalscorer in recent seasons (Mateta).

1. These are/were key and proven players and the squad is/will be weaker without them.

Surely this is beyond dispute.

In a way you are in your most powerful negotiating position when the club wants you to join as manager so now is the time to get guarantees about getting quality players in who are ready to hit the ground running.

Some might argue Canvot has replaced Guehi, Pino has replaced Eze and that Larsen will replace Mateta.
To me that's a stretch, and while hopefully they may go some way to doing this in time, at the moment they are frankly not at the same level.

Sage isn't holding all the cards if rumours are true. Apparently, he desperately wants to manage/coach in the PL and sees us as a foothold to greater things. Why else (apart from the massively increased wages) would he walk out of a club he took to their first major piece of silverware and with which he had qualified for CL football next season?

As a smaller PL club that:

1. has won more than one piece of silverware over the last year
2. has tasted success in Europe at the first attempt
3. will be in another European competition next season in which there is a good chance we can at least get through to the knock out stage. (Lens are unlikely to progress that far in the CL IMO).
4. has a dozen players at the current World Cup

we are probably his best option as a stepping stone to one of the big six as we have proved we have a winning mentality. Just as he walked out of his 3 year contract at Lens after just 1 year, let's not kid ourselves; if he does well enough with us to attract interest from one of the big six, I suspect he'll want off ASAP.

Having said that, I expect the club will have given him some assurances re funds for incoming players but I doubt it will be a case of Allardyce or Pulis.

 

[TheBigToePunt]

It was reported that if Iraola accepted the Palace job he would be given a big say ( define that though ! ) in our transfer dealings.

Yeah, I saw that. Hard to take it very seriously, though. As you say, what would that look like? Does the DoF get made redundant? Or does he stay but the manager gets final say on signings, sales, and contracts? What would be the point of that? Plus, I saw very little evidence that Iraola had anything to do with recruitment, retention, and sales at Bournemouth, or that he's ever had anything to do with them, or would know what to do at all!

Probably paper talk. Recruitment isn't the managers domain at palace. You need a proper, dedicated expert to deliver the likes of Johnson, Larsen, Nketiah, Pino (I know, I know, he'll maybe get better!) and all the rest.

 

[Frickin Saweet]

You're right but there's also the emotional factor, particularly in Eze's case; watching him on form was a joyful experience. And he scored a few goals.

it's not an emotional factor to the potential new manager though is it? He's not going to be bothered about a player who left 10-months before he joined, which was the OP's point.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

it's not an emotional factor to the potential new manager though is it? He's not going to be bothered about a player who left 10-months before he joined, which was the OP's point.

No. I meant how fans react to certain players leaving.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Yeah, I saw that. Hard to take it very seriously, though. As you say, what would that look like? Does the DoF get made redundant? Or does he stay but the manager gets final say on signings, sales, and contracts? What would be the point of that? Plus, I saw very little evidence that Iraola had anything to do with recruitment, retention, and sales at Bournemouth, or that he's ever had anything to do with them, or would know what to do at all!

Probably paper talk. Recruitment isn't the managers domain at palace. You need a proper, dedicated expert to deliver the likes of Johnson, Larsen, Nketiah, Pino (I know, I know, he'll maybe get better!) and all the rest.

Could be just that the manager decides how he wants to set up and play then the recruitment people look for affordable players who'd fit the requirements and the manager decides which one(s) he'd prefer.

 

[TheBigToePunt]

Sage isn't holding all the cards if rumours are true. Apparently, he desperately wants to manage/coach in the PL and sees us as a foothold to greater things. Why else (apart from the massively increased wages) would he walk out of a club he took to their first major piece of silverware and with which he had qualified for CL football next season?

As a smaller PL club that:

1. has won more than one piece of silverware over the last year
2. has tasted success in Europe at the first attempt
3. will be in another European competition next season in which there is a good chance we can at least get through to the knock out stage. (Lens are unlikely to to progress that far in the CL IMO).
4. has a dozen players at the current World Cup

we are probably his best option as a stepping stone to one of the big six as we have proved we have a winning mentality. Just as he walked out of his 3 year contract at Lens after just 1 year, let's not kid ourselves; if he does well enough with us to attract interest from one of the big six, I suspect he'll want off ASAP.

Having said that, I expect the club will have given him some assurances re funds for incoming players but I doubt it will be a case of Allardyce or Pulis.

Based on the reported salary increase and the speed with which he agreed to leave Lens, I'd be surprised if Sage said anything else after the interview beyond 'Yes please very much thank you where do I sign before you change your mind?!'

 

[Nicholas91]

Sage isn't holding all the cards if rumours are true. Apparently, he desperately wants to manage/coach in the PL and sees us as a foothold to greater things. Why else (apart from the massively increased wages) would he walk out of a club he took to their first major piece of silverware and with which he had qualified for CL football next season?

As a smaller PL club that:

1. has won more than one piece of silverware over the last year
2. has tasted success in Europe at the first attempt
3. will be in another European competition next season in which there is a good chance we can at least get through to the knock out stage. (Lens are unlikely to to progress that far in the CL IMO).
4. has a dozen players at the current World Cup

we are probably his best option as a stepping stone to one of the big six as we have proved we have a winning mentality. Just as he walked out of his 3 year contract at Lens after just 1 year, let's not kid ourselves; if he does well enough with us to attract interest from one of the big six, I suspect he'll want off ASAP.

Having said that, I expect the club will have given him some assurances re funds for incoming players but I doubt it will be a case of Allardyce or Pulis.

I really have no problem with this, same with players.

Nothing lasts forever, asides from Franca and Doucoures injured status, and if a manager wants to come here and use us as a stepping stone then great! That means he'll have to achieve something whilst at the helm. Our floor is PL survival and therefore the aim must be for more than that, to step off the stone unto better things!

 

[Putitout]

Imagine what sort of a side we would have been if Olise, Eze, and Guehi, were still in the present group. Finding players of their quality will never be easy. We still need two or three ready made players, but a new manager and the basis of a decent squad in place is not the worst place to be.

 

[TheBigToePunt]

Could be just that the manager decides how he wants to set up and play then the recruitment people look for affordable players who'd fit the requirements and the manager decides which one(s) he'd prefer.

I'm sure some of that goes on, but we have very rarely had a manager who stayed as long as a typical players contract lasts, so the DoF presumably has to build a squad that can suit whoever the next manager is, too, and probably the one after that. I always imagine that's the point of a DoF. By the time you factor in the need to buy as low as possible, develop players, and sell well, I wonder how much scope there is for manager-specific signings. I mean, Munoz was perhaps one (although did we not have an interest in him already, before Glasner arrived?).

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I'm sure some of that goes on, but we have very rarely had a manager who stayed as long as a typical players contract lasts, so the DoF presumably has to build a squad that can suit whoever the next manager is, too, and probably the one after that. I always imagine that's the point of a DoF. By the time you factor in the need to buy as low as possible, develop players, and sell well, I wonder how much scope there is for manager-specific signings. I mean, Munoz was perhaps one (although did we not have an interest in him already, before Glasner arrived?).

You're probably right. From reports Sage is a bit more adaptable than OG so could give more scope for players to play to their strengths rather than fit into a rigid system.

 

[JHB]

You make fair points in your first paragraph.
I think the central point I'm driving at is that we have a weaker squad than at the start of last season and this will be compounded if Kamada and Mateta leave.
We had one of our lowest finishing positions in the Premier League and our form in the second half of the season would have seen us in a struggle.
We go into a new season in a tougher European competition and overly reliant on Sarr as an attacking threat.

With the above in mind in my view we have to strengthen, perhaps just to stand still.

I see this as a realistic appraisal rather than a negative one.
It doesn't mean spending money we can't afford.
We can buy quality at value (see Wharton, Sarr,Munoz,Lacroix).
And to go back to Sage( if indeed it is him), now is the time to make his case for the need to strenghten.

I agree with all of that

 

[BromleyMonkey]

You're probably right. From reports Sage is a bit more adaptable than OG so could give more scope for players to play to their strengths rather than fit into a rigid system.

Problem with that is, if things arn’t going well and he’s tinkering and chopping and changing everyone will start saying he doesn’t know what his best team is, we’ve got no identity and you can’t see how he wants to play. A manager can’t win, unless of course he’s winning🤣