Brentford vs Crystal Palace match thread

[Willo]

Just watched it through. Very good until 65 minutes. I would have taken the point before kick-off under the circumstances. Injuries to three CB'S is very concerning. I'll say it now, our once very reliable defensive structure is not filling me confidence 9 days out from the final.

Canvot has received plaudits but he is only 19 and only experienced top flight football for a single season before signing for us.He was very much bought as "One for the future" but has become a regular and has shown significant promise.
Because of his inexperience and the fact that this is his first season in the PL he has made some costly mistakes. Yesterday he headed the ball straight on to the head of Ouatarra for Brentford's opening goal.
For their second goal he 'Lost' his marker who ran beyond him and flicked the ball backwards for Ouatarra's to head home.
Canvot has impressed with the ball at his feet,his physicality and his reading of situations but his defensive fallibilities have cost the team goals.

 

[Putitout]

Just watched it through. Very good until 65 minutes. I would have taken the point before kick-off under the circumstances. Injuries to three CB'S is very concerning. I'll say it now, our once very reliable defensive structure is not filling me confidence 9 days out from the final.

We have lost one of the best ,if not the best defenders in the country. His replacement is a hot prospect, but still learning the basics if Brentfords first goal is anything to go by.
Not all the lads fault mind, Lacroix, and Richards have looked a bit jaded at times since Guehi, went.

 

[PatrickA]

Keith Hackett's view of these to use Willo's term 'human errors. '
I think it's unacceptable and despise VAR which is unfit for purpose as well as ruining live games where you have to hang around for 5 minutes at a time for them to find or concoct a reason to make a decision.

Broadcasters love VAR as it allows them to generate some heat and controversy around poor quality games .

 

[steeleye20]

VAR disallowed the penalty appeal because it was 'accidental'.

But that is not the law anymore, hasn't been for some time, deliberate handball many would like to see returned, including me, but I think this will be error no.24.

😎

PGMOL confirming the law is that it is handball.

I think the ref may have decided it wrongly despite going to the monitor.

Confused?

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[Willo]

PGMOL confirming the law is that it is handball.

I think the ref may have decided it wrongly despite going to the monitor.

Confused?

🤐

According to the Law :

"Accidental handballs by non-scorers during an attacking build-up are not penalised. Under IFAB Laws of the Game, only the actual goalscorer is punished for an accidental handball immediately prior to a goal. If an accidental touch falls to a teammate who then scores, the goal stands"

Clearly the ball hit Mbeumo's hand, but the referee having viewed the monitor decided that the touch by Mbeumo was accidental hence the goal was allowed to stand.

 

[Inquisitive Aquila]

Lack of opportunity for fringe and younger players due to OG’s obstinacy? Why is Hughes currently sidelined?

Before the Everton game, David Moyes talking about recruitment for Everton he said ideally you would have players from the academy you could introduce for a few minutes but we have nobody. Imgaine the reaction if Glasner had said that! It goes to show we are not the only one`s.
As for Hughes he is not a first choice player anymore, sub coming on for the last twenty minutes to close a game out is more his role.

 

[Inquisitive Aquila]

To compound the lack of a penalty, Brentford go down the other end and score very soon after. To the point where sky missed their bloody goal showing a quick replay of the foul. We go 3-1 up and the game is done.
Var needs to fcuk off and go back to refs making a decision and live with the mistakes as the system is currently not fit for purpose. Decisions are still subjective and I would rather a ref make it live, than some t*** in a room miles away looking at slow motion videos and 10 different angles to still get the decision wrong!
I suspect if all fans were asked if they wanted to keep var or get rid, then nearly all would get rid. (Even the supposed big clubs)

The VAR officials are following the instructions given to them that is the major problem. VAR works in other sports but not football it has to be asked why?

 

[sprites]

One of the more bizarre comments, that not playing Hughes more is a reason, why we have dropped 21 points from winning positions. Hughes is no longer good enough, gets constantly booked and has zero creativity.

Sorry mate but that’s just rubbish. Clueless. Yes Hughes lacks creativity, but that’s not what he’s there for. He protects the back for and makes us more solid - and he’s the best midfielder we have at that. The bookings jeez I’m bored of hearing about them - notice how he never gets a red? They’re tactical fouls, generally breaking up really dangerous counter attacks. I agree Hughes is not the future because of his age, but to say he’s not good enough is frankly clueless.

 

[Willo]

Sorry mate but that’s just rubbish. Clueless. Yes Hughes lacks creativity, but that’s not what he’s there for. He protects the back for and makes us more solid - and he’s the best midfielder we have at that. The bookings jeez I’m bored of hearing about them - notice how he never gets a red? They’re tactical fouls, generally breaking up really dangerous counter attacks. I agree Hughes is not the future because of his age, but to say he’s not good enough is frankly clueless.

We are 'Birds on the same twig' on this matter.
Hughes is a useful cog in the wheel.

 

[jackosperoni]

We are 'Birds on the same twig' on this matter.
Hughes is a useful cog in the wheel.

If we are winning in Leipzig by the odd goal and the team is out on its feet with 10-15 minutes to play next week, I will certainly be encouraging OG to bring Hughesy on to help us hold out.

 

[Living In Hope]

Sorry mate but that’s just rubbish. Clueless. Yes Hughes lacks creativity, but that’s not what he’s there for. He protects the back for and makes us more solid - and he’s the best midfielder we have at that. The bookings jeez I’m bored of hearing about them - notice how he never gets a red? They’re tactical fouls, generally breaking up really dangerous counter attacks. I agree Hughes is not the future because of his age, but to say he’s not good enough is frankly clueless.

No need for saying it is clueless. This site is about opinions. My view in watching Hughes this season, a player that I have liked and would previously probably have picked to start alongside Wharton, is that his combined lack of strength and pace has become more pronounced and I wholly agree with Painter that he is no longer good enough to start for a PL team. You may disagree, but I am not clueless.

 

[elgin eeagle]

What VAR has illustrated on numerous occasions is that it is a tool used by the authorities to favour certain outcomes. Making the correct decision in light of the regulations of the game appears secondary.

Sadly that is probably the case.

One day someone will probably analyse all the VAR decisions (and non-decisions), and produce conclusive proof that it is not fit for purpose and possibly corrupt as f+ck in favour of the rich influential sides. But whether that ever results in it getting it the old heave ho is doubtful. As was said earlier, the media love it.

 

[OneStevePerrin]

If we are winning in Leipzig by the odd goal and the team is out on its feet with 10-15 minutes to play next week, I will certainly be encouraging OG to bring Hughesy on to help us hold out.

And that should have happened on Sunday but Glasner didn’t do it. Therefore there’s no reason to think he will do it next week :-(

 

[doombear]

No need for saying it is clueless. This site is about opinions. My view in watching Hughes this season, a player that I have liked and would previously probably have picked to start alongside Wharton, is that his combined lack of strength and pace has become more pronounced and I wholly agree with Painter that he is no longer good enough to start for a PL team. You may disagree, but I am not clueless.

Agreed. I've been a long-term fan of Hughes and was disappointed he didn't get more game time under Hodgson. However, he's not the player he was even twelve months ago and I don't see him being more than a bench player next season (his contract ends next Summer). In other words, Kamada's departure is unlikely IMO to see Hughes promoted to being a regular starter as I expect us to bring in a couple of new midfielders. However, if Ozoh's development at Derby is as good as a Derby supporting friend of mine suggests then he might slot into the vacant position.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Agreed. I've been a long-term fan of Hughes and was disappointed he didn't get more game time under Hodgson. However, he's not the player he was even twelve months ago and I don't see him being more than a bench player next season (his contract ends next Summer). In other words, Kamada's departure is unlikely IMO to see Hughes promoted to being a regular starter as I expect us to bring in a couple of new midfielders. However, if Ozoh's development at Derby is as good as a Derby supporting friend of mine suggests then he might slot into the vacant position.

Ozoh would be good to see in the team, especially if Doucoure came back at full strength. We've also been linked with Hayden Hackney and Jordan James - and presumably any other alliterative players; can Bobby Ball or Tommy Tucker play football?

 

[Plumpton eagle]

Canvot has received plaudits but he is only 19 and only experienced top flight football for a single season before signing for us.He was very much bought as "One for the future" but has become a regular and has shown significant promise.
Because of his inexperience and the fact that this is his first season in the PL he has made some costly mistakes. Yesterday he headed the ball straight on to the head of Ouatarra for Brentford's opening goal.
For their second goal he 'Lost' his marker who ran beyond him and flicked the ball backwards for Ouatarra's to head home.
Canvot has impressed with the ball at his feet,his physicality and his reading of situations but his defensive fallibilities have cost the team goals.

Hard to argue with the above. However, I would amend the last paragraph to read:

Canvot has impressed with the ball at his feet,his physicality and his reading of situations but his defensive fallibilities, so far, have cost the team goals.

I believe that, as long as he is willing to learn and adapt, these will mistakes will start to disappear from his game. He could well turn out to be a fantastically astute buy.

 

[Plumpton eagle]

If we are winning in Leipzig by the odd goal and the team is out on its feet with 10-15 minutes to play next week, I will certainly be encouraging OG to bring Hughesy on to help us hold out.

Just like in the cup final last year!

 

[Norbury Old Git]

I keep seeing the claim that VAR isn’t working. The real reason is very little to do with the system and a lot to do with the quality of the referees operating it. If Howard Webb and his predecessor Mike Riley had not made the decision to promote referees mainly from the North of England and predominantly (2/3rds) from a narrow band between Leeds and the Liverpool, we might have got better outcomes. South of Birmingham there are only 3 PGMOL1 referees out of 23.
In my opinion the system discriminates against the mid to lower table teams mainly in the south. This is in order to keep the TV companies happy by having the big football package selling teams like Liverpool, ManCity, ManU and to a lesser extent Arsenal and Chelsea in the Champions League positions. After Leicester won the EPL comments were made that the big clubs will not want this too happen again.
I note that in our 16 Conference League matches there was only one long VAR delay and very few complaints from our supporters about the standards of referees, even if they allowed a few “strong” tackles. Why can referees from these mainly small footballing nations seem to get it mainly right when ours make so many errors?

 

[cryrst]

Ozoh would be good to see in the team, especially if Doucoure came back at full strength. We've also been linked with Hayden Hackney and Jordan James - and presumably any other alliterative players; can Bobby Ball or Tommy Tucker play football?

‘Alliterative’ never knew 👌👍

 

[Norbury Old Git]

Sadly that is probably the case.

One day someone will probably analyse all the VAR decisions (and non-decisions), and produce conclusive proof that it is not fit for purpose and possibly corrupt as f+ck in favour of the rich influential sides. But whether that ever results in it getting it the old heave ho is doubtful. As was said earlier, the media love it.

And it works in major competitions with competent referees. So Howard Webb. Why are you appointing incompetent numpties?