Israel v Hamas

Forest Hillbilly said:
People's views are dependant on their sources. I tend to look around and not just read Western sources.

"Israel has demolished 50 shops in al-Eizariya overnight, erasing the livelihoods of more than 200 families despite legal appeals to Israel’s Supreme Court. Israel has earmarked a swath of land for a settlement corridor that would bisect the occupied West Bank and displace thousands of Bedouin villagers." (13.5.26)

www.aljazeera.com

Israel bulldozes Palestinian shops to make way for settlement-linked road

Israel bulldozes Palestinian shops to make way for settlement-linked road
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

This sort of thing happens daily and is unreported in Western media. Palestinian families killed (although not in this instance) and their properties burned to the ground to make way for Israeli "settlements"

And people wonder why HAMAS has some leverage.
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Yep, I don't think it's antisemitism to have disquiet over this kind of thing.

Not that it should have anything to do with us.
 
silvertop said:
Lip service.

By bringing in Oct 7, are you saying the moral standard for Israel is identical to that of Hamas?

And before you respond, Israel purports to be a western democracy and Hamas are Jihadi terrorists.

Thus, we are a western democracy and are still getting sh1t for Bloody Sunday. 54 years ago and 14 deaths, rather than 54 weeks ago and in excess of 70,000.
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Lip service? Does Hamas and the other Islamic governments and terrorists warn Israel before they attack them? Israel is a democracy, it's not Western as it is in the Middle East. We still get attempts to wring more mileage and money out of Bloody Sunday from left wing Irish Nationalists - so what?
 
CPFCSaturn said:
In what sort of ways do daily interactions with Western Muslims influence us?

There's been massive protests in London over the Ukraine war, despite no religious aspect to it - people are generally moved to protest for moral reasons. I don't know why that would be any different this time.


I asked ChatGPT to look into correlations between protest size/frequency and Muslim populations - findings below:

  • Muslim population size correlates moderately with protest visibility in some countries.
  • It correlates much less cleanly with actual government policy.
  • Historical and political culture often explains more than demographics alone.
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Everything you post is fake.

Muslims are affecting our lives daily. Before they were here there was no talk of anything related to Islam except in films. Now we have terrorists, people with 'mental health issues' Mosques everywhere, praying in the street, Jew hating and sectarian turf wars with other demographics.

Possibly most important and predictable is the change in our politics including voting patterns.

ChatGPT is as susceptible to leftist propaganda as you are.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
People's views are dependant on their sources. I tend to look around and not just read Western sources.

"Israel has demolished 50 shops in al-Eizariya overnight, erasing the livelihoods of more than 200 families despite legal appeals to Israel’s Supreme Court. Israel has earmarked a swath of land for a settlement corridor that would bisect the occupied West Bank and displace thousands of Bedouin villagers." (13.5.26)

www.aljazeera.com

Israel bulldozes Palestinian shops to make way for settlement-linked road

Israel bulldozes Palestinian shops to make way for settlement-linked road
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

This sort of thing happens daily and is unreported in Western media. Palestinian families killed (although not in this instance) and their properties burned to the ground to make way for Israeli "settlements"

And people wonder why HAMAS has some leverage.
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Of course it's not reported. That would be antisemitic.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
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It isn't antisemitic, it's a protest against Israel's policy of genocide and ethnic cleansing.

If this were Serbia (who did so but on a much smaller scale) you would support the boycott.

So why do you support mass child murder with such passion?
 
silvertop said:
It isn't antisemitic, it's a protest against Israel's policy of genocide and ethnic cleansing.

If this were Serbia (who did so but on a much smaller scale) you would support the boycott.

So why do you support mass child murder with such passion?
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Hamas started this war with the Oct 7 massacre. They embed in hospitals/schools, divert aid, and use kids as shields.

The Serbia comparison fails because Israel left Gaza years before. Hamas chose rockets and tunnels over peace.

And if we are talking about mass child murder I'm sure you don't mind the hundreds if not thousands of little children murdered in clinics everyday around the UK?
 
Showing comparisons of Ethic Cleansing doesn't do any of the situations any good. They are what they are. no better or worse. Some conducted by terrorists/Freedom fighters, others committed by The State. In this Instance, Israel has murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians in Gaza and is now continuing in Lebanon.
To the uneducated, this looks like the butchering of innocents and the grabbing of land.
 
silvertop said:
It isn't antisemitic, it's a protest against Israel's policy of genocide and ethnic cleansing.

If this were Serbia (who did so but on a much smaller scale) you would support the boycott.

So why do you support mass child murder with such passion?
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It's not anti semitic, it's simple old Jew hate, a sign of which is chanting from the river to the sea.

If you were on a march would you chant that? Or call to " globalise the intifadah "
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
Showing comparisons of Ethic Cleansing doesn't do any of the situations any good. They are what they are. no better or worse. Some conducted by terrorists/Freedom fighters, others committed by The State. In this Instance, Israel has murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians in Gaza and is now continuing in Lebanon.
To the uneducated, this looks like the butchering of innocents and the grabbing of land.
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True.

However if I have to pick a side I pick the one that doesn't want to kill me.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
Showing comparisons of Ethic Cleansing doesn't do any of the situations any good. They are what they are. no better or worse. Some conducted by terrorists/Freedom fighters, others committed by The State. In this Instance, Israel has murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians in Gaza and is now continuing in Lebanon.
To the uneducated, this looks like the butchering of innocents and the grabbing of land.
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Where do you get your hundreds of thousand from? The Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry says around 70,000 and they are no doubt exaggerating. Whatever the figure is, it is not murder.
 
eaglesdare said:
Hamas started this war with the Oct 7 massacre. They embed in hospitals/schools, divert aid, and use kids as shields.

The Serbia comparison fails because Israel left Gaza years before. Hamas chose rockets and tunnels over peace.

And if we are talking about mass child murder I'm sure you don't mind the hundreds if not thousands of little children murdered in clinics everyday around the UK?
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What?
 
georgenorman said:
Where do you get your hundreds of thousand from? The Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry says around 70,000 and they are no doubt exaggerating. Whatever the figure is, it is not murder.
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What is it then?

What are you guys actually seeking to defend? I mean, 50 years ago you ultra right wingers would have been rabid antisemites.

Is this because you are united in a campaign against Jihad. I agree with that. I do not agree with a campaign of carpet bombing one of the most densely populated places on the planet in the hope that you might kill a terrorist.

This would be in an area where almost all those targeted are non combatants, 40% are children, and 9% are Christian and thus fundamentally opposed to the Jihadi terrorist organisation that is Hamas.

The question is, why are your eyes blind to that? Why do you feel the need to create arguments to suit your narrative?
 
georgenorman said:
Where do you get your hundreds of thousand from? The Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry says around 70,000 and they are no doubt exaggerating. Whatever the figure is, it is not murder.
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The UN thinks it understates it as the figures only include bodies identified and counted.

It excludes those vapourized by direct impact and those buried in the rubble who cannot be recovered and identified.

My guess is the 70,000 is a cooked book exercise by Hamas countered by the UN's valid points.

A figure north of 50,000 would be probably be conservative.
 
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