Israel v Hamas

[Forest Hillbilly]

More Israeli atrocities..

"Israel have sailed through to the final of the Eurovision Song Contest, with the lovestruck pop song Michelle, performed by 28-year-old Noam Bettan.

The contest's festive atmosphere has been upended in recent years by a controversy over Israel's military action in Gaza. Five countries have boycotted the 2026 event, including seven-time winners Ireland." (BBC)

 

[Spindle]

Any sane person would condemn any war crimes. It's coincidental that Palestinians revealed a few days ago how they are subjected to rape and abuse in Israeli detention centres and prisons.
It's all shockingly savage

Palestinians face ‘systematic’ torture, sexual violence in Israeli prisons

Palestinian detainees and rights groups share disturbing accounts of rape, sexual violence and physical abuse.

www.aljazeera.com

Oh, whataboutery, that doesn't come near Oct 7

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

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[georgenorman]

More Israeli atrocities..

"Israel have sailed through to the final of the Eurovision Song Contest, with the lovestruck pop song Michelle, performed by 28-year-old Noam Bettan.

The contest's festive atmosphere has been upended in recent years by a controversy over Israel's military action in Gaza. Five countries have boycotted the 2026 event, including seven-time winners Ireland." (BBC)

Perhaps they should have done a reprise of Boom Bang-a-Bang.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Any sane person would condemn any war crimes. It's coincidental that Palestinians revealed a few days ago how they are subjected to rape and abuse in Israeli detention centres and prisons.
It's all shockingly savage

Palestinians face ‘systematic’ torture, sexual violence in Israeli prisons

Palestinian detainees and rights groups share disturbing accounts of rape, sexual violence and physical abuse.

www.aljazeera.com

Quite - the Mail article seems to have been put out in response to the recent NY Times article outlining the extent of sexual abuse and assaults that Palestinians suffer at the hands of Israelis:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html

As you say, any sane person would condemn the use of rape and sexual abuse on all sides.

As I have long argued, there are no good guys here - just two warped death cults.

 

[steeleye20]

Even the New York Times admits Israel's sickest crime.

They are actually raping palestinians with trained dogs.

The UK is still sending arms to Israel, the labour government is really an Israeli asset.

😎

 

[eaglesdare]

Even the New York Times admits Israel's sickest crime.

They are actually raping palestinians with trained dogs.

The UK is still sending arms to Israel, the labour government is really an Israeli asset.

😎

You are either a troll or very gullible....or both.

 

[georgenorman]

Even the New York Times admits Israel's sickest crime.

They are actually raping palestinians with trained dogs.

The UK is still sending arms to Israel, the labour government is really an Israeli asset.

😎

Have you ever considered councelling?

 

[silvertop]

Perhaps they should have done a reprise of Boom Bang-a-Bang.

I do love gallows humour, hat tipped.

 

[silvertop]

Even the New York Times admits Israel's sickest crime.

They are actually raping palestinians with trained dogs.

The UK is still sending arms to Israel, the labour government is really an Israeli asset.

😎

Not sure that has been fact checked, but we also buy arms from them.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Not sure that has been fact checked, but we also buy arms from them.

How would one go about fact checking it? Israel aren't exactly going to admit to it.

This is much survivor testimony alleging that the Israelis have used dogs in sexual abuse and rape - we'll probably never know how much of it is true.

 

[steeleye20]

Israel former IDF soldiers confirm it.

😎

 

[eaglesdare]

When it comes to Oct. 7, the New York Times prefers baseless claims over facts | The Jerusalem Post

And even Kristof himself admits that “it’s impossible to know how common sexual assaults against Palestinians are” -- though that does not stop him from going on about it for almost 4,000 words.

www.jpost.com

Good article to read. Especially for those who hate Jews and are no longer hiding it.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Israel former IDF soldiers confirm it.

😎

Saying something is hearsay evidence.

Having some recorded is definite (unless it's AI).

If it has actually happened then it is an outrage.

Not our outrage as this is a foreign conflict.

But definitely I wouldn't criticise anyone for being sickened by these things.

There has been stuff that sickens me on the Ukraine/Russia war, which I follow more because I'm a European.....but purely on a humanitarian level or even a professionalism level we should be against this.

I understand that horrible sh1t happens in war, and on the battlefield itself there is no mercy due to its nature, so I don't like revisionism in that extent even though horrible stuff happens.

However in a controlled environment, outside of the killing zone, it should be completely different.

But you need more than hearsay.

 

[silvertop]

When it comes to Oct. 7, the New York Times prefers baseless claims over facts | The Jerusalem Post

And even Kristof himself admits that “it’s impossible to know how common sexual assaults against Palestinians are” -- though that does not stop him from going on about it for almost 4,000 words.

www.jpost.com

Good article to read. Especially for those who hate Jews and are no longer hiding it.

If these acts were proven and reported, would that report amount to Jew hating?

The New York Times. I suspect half their journalists and board members are Jewish.

 

[Stirlingsays]

When it comes to Oct. 7, the New York Times prefers baseless claims over facts | The Jerusalem Post

And even Kristof himself admits that “it’s impossible to know how common sexual assaults against Palestinians are” -- though that does not stop him from going on about it for almost 4,000 words.

www.jpost.com

Good article to read. Especially for those who hate Jews and are no longer hiding it.

The NY Times is basically a Jewish paper, full of Democrats, as is the majority of Jews who vote Democrat in America.

So it's more about Jews arguing.....and while old Netty's war is popular in Israel itself, which is more right wing (still with significant opposition both to Netty and the war), in America Jews are more critical.

Different Jewish departments fighting.

 

[eaglesdare]

If these acts were proven and reported, would that report amount to Jew hating?

The New York Times. I suspect half their journalists and board members are Jewish.

Proven crimes deserve condemnation regardless of who commits them.

But “dogs raping women” is not fact. The New York times is amplifying these smears while burying the October 7th evidence and that is the antisemitism tell.

 

[silvertop]

The NY Times is basically a Jewish paper, full of Democrats, as is the majority of Jews who vote Democrat in America.

So it's more about Jews arguing.....and while old Netty's war is popular in Israel itself, which is more right wing (still with significant opposition both to Netty and the war), in America Jews are more critical.

Different Jewish departments fighting.

Sounds about right.

On the point highlighted, my understanding was the only significant challenge Netty received was based on complaints he was doing insufficient to retrieve the Hamas hostages.

Other than a small handful of well meaning women holding placards outside air bases, practically no opposition to the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

I am not sure there is any opposition to the conflict with Iran/Lebanon?

 

[silvertop]

Proven crimes deserve condemnation regardless of who commits them.

But “dogs raping women” is not fact. The New York times is amplifying these smears while burying the October 7th evidence and that is the antisemitism tell.

It is currently not accepted fact, although the NYT is "proper" journalism and I would be surprised if they went with it without something concrete to corroborate the story. We will see.

The NYT did not "bury" Oct 7 but reported on it extensively. You just made that point up while typing your post in order to support your absurd suggestion that a significantly Jewish newspaper is antisemitic.

 

[ASCPFC]

Not sure that has been fact checked, but we also buy arms from them.

The UK are a parts supplier of basically last resort for some US equipment. And most of that is blocked these days. I've extensively researched it and I'm a former defense analyst.
These parts tend to be available in Turkey anyway.
The UK used to be a major supplier to Israel - probably up to around the early to mid 90s. It's all US equipment now - as it is everywhere else as well.
The UK may be giving software support and analysis but that would be secret. You could ask Spindle but he won't tell you.
This claim that the UK is complicit, is a supplier - it's total rubbish for decades now. All of the previous wars in the 70s etc - yes. The Israeli tank was a Centurion with a different name. The Tar-21? (Personal weapon) was an adapted L85-A1 (SA 80 to you). None of these anymore. I haven't even looked up what they do use but it'll be US.
More what Israel arms illustrates is how far the UK have fallen and that everyone who can afford it buys US stuff.
Note Trump went round the Middle East and sold arms. All of those Saudi deals etc will now have ended or be coming to an end. The arms industry will be having large domestic sales soon enough. Once they sort out all of the ridiculous issues with their specs, design and compatibility.
You really don't want to know how it is currently.