How do fans see next season unfolding.

Well, regardless of level of competition, if we have another season in Europe, thanks to a win in Leipzig we need a larger squad.

We saw this season how fatigue and a lack of a plan b derailed our season.

We also know one/two decent players will be off.. so this summer we need to get players in - but the right kind of players... Ulche, Sosa were just not good enough..

If it's just the league, then we need to challenge for a cup run again.. as well as pushing up the league. But that's standard...

It's all down to the board.. and I have a feeling parish will enjoy a second season in Europe and not want to miss out on that in 27/28
 
Vaibow said:
Well, regardless of level of competition, if we have another season in Europe, thanks to a win in Leipzig we need a larger squad.

We saw this season how fatigue and a lack of a plan b derailed our season.

We also know one/two decent players will be off.. so this summer we need to get players in - but the right kind of players... Ulche, Sosa were just not good enough..

If it's just the league, then we need to challenge for a cup run again.. as well as pushing up the league. But that's standard...

It's all down to the board.. and I have a feeling parish will enjoy a second season in Europe and not want to miss out on that in 27/28
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As you say, to have a good go in the Europa League we'd need not only a bigger squad in terms of numbers, but one made of good players. Padding out the squad with dross is pointless.

The thing is though, where does the extra money come from?

Winning the conference league is worth about £19m. So basically, it'll pay for Canvot. And that's before wages are counted.

The Europa League is worth about £21m if you win it, though if course the real financial gains come from qualifying for the champions league as a result. We surely wouldn't be amongst the favourites to win it, though. Let's say we do really well and get to the last 8. We'd make about £15m. One half decent player, in other words.

If we win in Germany this month then the beauty of it will be a trophy (albeit a Mickey mouse one in my view) and the hope of seeing Palace in actual, meaningful European competition next year, against teams we've actually heard of, from the get-go. Maybe we'll get a big, memorable scalp. What won't be happening is Palace moving into some new world where we can carry a big squad of good players. The sums don't work for that.

Europe = premier league fatigue for anyone outside the big boys. Always has, always will.
 
TheBigToePunt said:
My great concern is that we've surely spent so much on Larsen, Johnson, and Pino that there can't be much left in the pot.

I still find it highly unlikely that Iraola will come to us, but if he does then quite a few changes to the squad will be required in order for his approach to work. I can't see that happening without the sale of at least two of the current crown jewels. Wharton and perhaps La Croix, or even Sarr (God forbid) would raise the thick end of £100m, which might be what is needed to overhaul our midfield and wings to play how Iraola prefers. Our current lot just don't have the legs for his way.

If we don't get Iraola, and perhaps go for a continuity appointment (either from within, or an external appointment who wants to play a conservative 343 like Glasner has) we will perhaps need less of an overhaul. The goalie and back five, plus Wharton, can just continue. Sarr too. That's eight players. Larsen surely we'll be our no9 as he cost almost as much as the new stand. We'd need a replacement for Kamada, plus ideally an excellent attacking creator (I just can't see Pino ever being up to it in the premier league). That's only two needed for a decent first choice XI. Of course, squad depth is another matter, but when have we ever really had it anyway?
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Don't agree with that.
 
How do you encourage the 'right type of player' to come to Palace ? serious question.

European football next season might be a good bargaining chip, but a player's agent might well suggest that sitting on a big club's bench and earning double the money Palace would pay, is a good career move.

Most clubs have some kind of wage structure, and in any event are bound by the rules of FFP. What I'm trying to say, is even if Palace had a £gazillion in the bank, they are limited on how much to spend.

That is why Palace are normally buying players with potential to sell on, and why Parish says a new stand/ground is essential for building the club

Europe next season is 50/50, and if we are safe from relegation by March 2027, that might be progress
 
Hopefully we get Iraola.
Finish around mid table if we are in the UEFA Cup and go deep into the competition.
If not a top eight and a good FA Cup run.
Decent recruitment and sell only those we really cannot refuse to let go whether financially or at the players wish.
Johnson gets the support he needs and regains his best form, there is a very very good player in there.
Brighton get relegated.
 
Difficult to predict accurately as there are a number of variables. Manager? Players staying? Players leaving? Euro games? Money in the pot to spend?
Putting together a decent side can take a number of seasons, as we saw with the cup winning team. Given the success rate of some of our latest recruits I am not expecting any drastic improvement in player acquisition, in fact I have little faith in the current set-up and note that it is one of our weaknesses, particularly in comparison to our nearest competitors.
Although winning the Conference Cup would be welcome after a very poor season, we will struggle again next season to meet the challenge of all the extra games. Unless of course we get eliminated from the Europa which seems the more likely, in which case why would Iraola want to come to Palace?
I look forward to a manager who has a plan B.
 
TheBigToePunt said:
As you say, to have a good go in the Europa League we'd need not only a bigger squad in terms of numbers, but one made of good players. Padding out the squad with dross is pointless.

The thing is though, where does the extra money come from?

Winning the conference league is worth about £19m. So basically, it'll pay for Canvot. And that's before wages are counted.

The Europa League is worth about £21m if you win it, though if course the real financial gains come from qualifying for the champions league as a result. We surely wouldn't be amongst the favourites to win it, though. Let's say we do really well and get to the last 8. We'd make about £15m. One half decent player, in other words.

If we win in Germany this month then the beauty of it will be a trophy (albeit a Mickey mouse one in my view) and the hope of seeing Palace in actual, meaningful European competition next year, against teams we've actually heard of, from the get-go. Maybe we'll get a big, memorable scalp. What won't be happening is Palace moving into some new world where we can carry a big squad of good players. The sums don't work for that.

Europe = premier league fatigue for anyone outside the big boys. Always has, always will.
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Each trophy we win increases our stock value which alone brings in more money , so value of winning is not just the prize money , increases sponsorship and everything that goes with a trophy winner
 
I was actually saying to a mate last night, the trophies and possible incoming trophy are nice, but next season I’ll just be happy with a strong home league season. Our home form has been poor for years and that’s the majority of the games I go to in a season, good home form, which should see us comfortable mid table, not bothered about away because I don’t do many these days
 
We're not privvy to how/when decisions are made, or who makes them.

From an outsiders perspective, we'll probably appoint a manager at the last minute, giving them the least possible preparation time for the next season.
Players will leave, and it will take forever to get incoming players over the line. Injured players will be in the treatment room for months.
The new manager will be harangued for losing three games on the trot, for playing players out of position, for having a squad too big, or too small.

The HOL will be full of ideas of how it could have been done sooo much better 👍 :football: 😎 😎
 
TheBigToePunt said:
As you say, to have a good go in the Europa League we'd need not only a bigger squad in terms of numbers, but one made of good players. Padding out the squad with dross is pointless.

The thing is though, where does the extra money come from?

Winning the conference league is worth about £19m. So basically, it'll pay for Canvot. And that's before wages are counted.

The Europa League is worth about £21m if you win it, though if course the real financial gains come from qualifying for the champions league as a result. We surely wouldn't be amongst the favourites to win it, though. Let's say we do really well and get to the last 8. We'd make about £15m. One half decent player, in other words.

If we win in Germany this month then the beauty of it will be a trophy (albeit a Mickey mouse one in my view) and the hope of seeing Palace in actual, meaningful European competition next year, against teams we've actually heard of, from the get-go. Maybe we'll get a big, memorable scalp. What won't be happening is Palace moving into some new world where we can carry a big squad of good players. The sums don't work for that.

Europe = premier league fatigue for anyone outside the big boys. Always has, always will.
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Form that money we have to take off the cost of attending away games - probably 50 players and staff going over on private flights and staying in top hotels etc must be c£100k to £200k per away game.

Also, the players must be on win bonuses etc so that could add up - i remember when Man U won the Europa league with win bonuses they said they would make more money of they lost the final.

I think with the UEFA prize money we get nothing extra for being on TV and advertising at grounds, which is all dictated by UEFA
 
palace99 said:
Form that money we have to take off the cost of attending away games - probably 50 players and staff going over on private flights and staying in top hotels etc must be c£100k to £200k per away game.

Also, the players must be on win bonuses etc so that could add up - i remember when Man U won the Europa league with win bonuses they said they would make more money of they lost the final.

I think with the UEFA prize money we get nothing extra for being on TV and advertising at grounds, which is all dictated by UEFA
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agreed, but surely by winning competitions you sell more T shirts & merchandise ? the money for that can be massive. Just ask Leicester about the year they won the Prem......there were tw@ts everywhere wearing the shirt.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
i hope you are correct. Gallagher was fantastic for us and has looked rubbish at Spurs.
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I'll aways say it, but Gallagher is a bit limited technically. He did so well for us because (for most of hte time) he had a very specific role in the team that played to his strengths. As soon as we moved him from the 10 to the 8 he looked a bit lost.

Good players dont turn bad overnight, and vice versa. Formation and role in the team play a massive part.

Guessand looked pretty good for us. Villa fans universally hated him, thought he was their worst ever signing.
 
The main problem is that our wage bill is back to 96m a year, 20m more than two years ago, i cant believe that any "Big Buys" will happen unless we move on Wharton, Lacroix and Muñoz, but these players are not on big salary's, i do wonder if there is a change with Woody Johnson taking complete control of everything, the massive outlay in the winter window is not Parish at all.
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
The main problem is that our wage bill is back to 96m a year, 20m more than two years ago, i cant believe that any "Big Buys" will happen unless we move on Wharton, Lacroix and Muñoz, but these players are not on big salary's, i do wonder if there is a change with Woody Johnson taking complete control of everything, the massive outlay in the winter window is not Parish at all.
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Our revenue must've jumped up quite a bit in that time as well though.

But I agree with you - after such an expensive January, I don't think we'll go mad this summer unless we bank a big sale or two.
 
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