Sorloth

Helmet46 said:
He kept Eze and Olise benched most of the time even when they were fit. Regardless of age McArthur was a superb player as was Zaha at the time he had them. I like Roy but he would not have won us anything.
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Yes because they needed protecting because of injury.

No I suggest you do your homework because you have no clue what you are posting.

Zaha played every game he was fit and was not superb as you claim which is why no one was interested in him.

McArthur at the start was great but again he was past it towards Roys later years.
 
grumpymort said:
Yes because they needed protecting because of injury.

No I suggest you do your homework because you have no clue what you are posting.

Zaha played every game he was fit and was not superb as you claim which is why no one was interested in him.

McArthur at the start was great but again he was past it towards Roys later years.
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Cobblers - I was at every game in that period, as I am now. We clearly have a different view or recollection, although you are incapable of seeing that - merely asserting that your view is always correct. However, i tend not to blinded by dislike of any manager, merely that I do not believe Roy would have won anything with this group of players as he didn’t with the others under his charge. Zaha did fade towards the end but was superb for an awful lot of Roy’s tenure, as was McArthur.
Roy couldn’t get a tune out of Eze or Olise or JP and didn’t get anything out of Sorloth. Who knows whether Glasner would have.
 
Helmet46 said:
He had Eze and Olise (who is probably becoming the greatest winger in the world but in any case was, and is, truly world class). i and others regularly got frustrated at the amount of time they spent on the bench. I suspect if he had the current crop of players we wouldn’t see half of them play and certainly I doubt Wharton would. I also suspect that Mitchell would not be as good as he has become.
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Yep Roy had more riches on his hands squad-wise than any of our managers before or since. Maybe other than Coppell. But he (Roy) couldn’t get a tune out of 99% of them.

We also made more bizarre bit-part signings under him than with anyone else, and it seems like they must’ve been his own recommendations as nobody else has had that kind of frequency of it.

He never had a plan B, which can be said for so many of our coaches long before that became normal in the game as it seems to be slowly now. But even his plan A was incredibly restrictive for the players he had, who had flair in bucketfulls but more often were held back from using it to our advantage.

He was a great coach, up to his ceiling, and for a while that ceiling was above our’s, so it worked. Until it didn’t.
 
park the bus said:
Hodgson had, at times, better players than Glasner has today. Zaha, Townsend, McArthur, Milivojevic, Cabaye for starters. Add in Dann, Speroni, Ward, PVA, Schlupp, Ayew and one has the makings of a decent side. In his final season he also had Eze and Olise!
Most telling is that when Roy had to go we were heading for the trap door of relegation, Glasner stepped in early and with the same set of players completely turned us around to a storming finish for the season.
It appears to me that the players were tired of Hodgson's negativity and Glasner was a breath of fresh air.
I have to conclude therefore that if Hodgson had access to today's players it would be the same negative s*** that we saw season after season when he was in charge.
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Absolutely right PTB.
 
Linford said:
Yep Roy had more riches on his hands squad-wise than any of our managers before or since. Maybe other than Coppell. But he (Roy) couldn’t get a tune out of 99% of them.

We also made more bizarre bit-part signings under him than with anyone else, and it seems like they must’ve been his own recommendations as nobody else has had that kind of frequency of it.

He never had a plan B, which can be said for so many of our coaches long before that became normal in the game as it seems to be slowly now. But even his plan A was incredibly restrictive for the players he had, who had flair in bucketfulls but more often were held back from using it to our advantage.

He was a great coach, up to his ceiling, and for a while that ceiling was above our’s, so it worked. Until it didn’t.
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Roy was a good coach who made his teams hard to beat, but he didn't have a clue what he was doing with forwards - I think Haaland would struggle to score goals in a Hodgson team.
 
Wasn't it as close to an established fact as possible that Roy did not design any specific training for the forwards?

I realise I might look an absolute fool... more so than usual, for suggesting this but I thought several players had commented on that being the case?

I've no beef with Hodgson, none at all, I'm very grateful still and think he paved the way for more recent successes but it wouldn't shock me if it were true.

Sorloth was younger and given an unenviable task at that time. Shame it didn't work out but it was what it was and good for him with the success he's enjoying now.
 
Nicholas91 said:
Wasn't it as close to an established fact as possible that Roy did not design any specific training for the forwards?

I realise I might look an absolute fool... more so than usual, for suggesting this but I thought several players had commented on that being the case?

I've no beef with Hodgson, none at all, I'm very grateful still and think he paved the way for more recent successes but it wouldn't shock me if it were true.

Sorloth was younger and given an unenviable task at that time. Shame it didn't work out but it was what it was and good for him with the success he's enjoying now.
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Roy’s response to a Palace journalist about what training he did with the forwards was none they should know what to do!
 
Helmet46 said:
Cobblers - I was at every game in that period, as I am now. We clearly have a different view or recollection, although you are incapable of seeing that - merely asserting that your view is always correct. However, i tend not to blinded by dislike of any manager, merely that I do not believe Roy would have won anything with this group of players as he didn’t with the others under his charge. Zaha did fade towards the end but was superb for an awful lot of Roy’s tenure, as was McArthur.
Roy couldn’t get a tune out of Eze or Olise or JP and didn’t get anything out of Sorloth. Who knows whether Glasner would have.
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More rubbish from you and I bet you have never even been to a Palace game in that period of time or even watched a full game on tv.

PV was the one who couldn't get anything from Eze and kept dropping him not Roy who as i said before had to look after him why was that don't you remember he had a big injury I guess not because you are stuck in your own bubble.

Many managers may not have won with this group that is because there is different types of managers no all are the same some get best out of what they have others have to buy the style they require.

Zaha was always over hyped because the rest of the quality was not great it made him shine more but other clubs saw him for what he really was and they was right.
 
Spindle said:
Worst. Analogy. Ever.
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Is there a time delay? You still smarting? 🤣

Woodman wasn’t good enough for the first team hence 5 years and NO appearances.

Sorloth, at the time, showed no evidence that he was good enough for our first team. He was given opportunities and failed to take them, you have to earn a run in the team. He looked as though he should’ve been alright but I reckon I saw every minute of Sorloth in a Palace shirt and he was useless…one goal in twenty appearances. RB Leipzig couldn’t wait to get him out on loan too after they signed him. It’s almost 8 years since he joined Palace, a lot can change in that time and clearly he is a better player now than when he was with us.
 
grumpymort said:
Yes because they needed protecting because of injury.

No I suggest you do your homework because you have no clue what you are posting.

Zaha played every game he was fit and was not superb as you claim which is why no one was interested in him.

McArthur at the start was great but again he was past it towards Roys later years.
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Do you not go to our games.? There was regularly the whole stadium singing 'He's just too good for you.'
He was by far our most exciting player for years.
 
Bearing in mind we paid £48m (hard to believe) for Larsen, I am wondering what Sorloth is worth today by comparison. Would have to be north of £100m, which would be equally ludicrous.
 
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