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Spindle said:
You just said I support a guy importing alphabet.
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If you support the EU, then in effect you are doing that.

I obviously know you don't.

If you are right wing, then the EU is not your friend.....Orban literally supports pretty much all your social policies and has provided humanitarian aid to Hungary and taken its refugees, yet you call him a traitor because of a lost war you want to keep going.

What you are demonstrating is that you hate Russia more than you hate what the EU and their friends are doing to our kids and wasting the wealth of Europe.....and replacing its native population all at the same time.

I disagree with you......I don't have a problem with you being against Russia, however I think the priority is way off base.

Spindle said:
I would rather it didn't occur, but it did and it wasn't us that caused it. I know what side I'm on, ours, and that means giving Ukraine old arms, selling arms to them and allies, building up our own strength and learning from techniques this war is exposing
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There's a lot more too it than that.....Your position is the position that was sold to you via the media.

It has cost us dearly.....both financially and militarily (there is military who have died over there that the state hasn't been honest about).

Your position is also very old and the war in Ukraine has already been lost as I dip in and check out analysis nearly every day. Our policy has been a lose lose position that has extracted over ten billion from us.....That we won't get back by the way. Not only that but it will extract future billions from us in us having to support the future Ukraine......let alone the fact that it's wasted important military
assets.

You might support spending billions on foreign wars that only cost us.....and bring us zero positive outcomes.

I on the other hand do not.

If this were a business it would be insolvent.

But instead it's the taxpayer, which apparently is an endless resource......You need to pay my energy bill mate.....Because it's this policy that keeps it high....and it's about to go higher because of another pointless fecking war.
 
The US is preparing to seize Iran-related tankers in international waters in the coming days to expand its naval operation beyond the Middle East, writes The Wall Street Journal.

The American aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford entered the Red Sea accompanied by two destroyers.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
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I don't disagree.....their moral code allows them to lie to non believers.....Some restrict it to times of wars and others don't.

However, Trump and the US have made countless deals with Islamic Arabs both in the past and present.....Saudi and Qatar and the UAE....He even had that 'former' ISIS chief terrorist leading Syria to the White House a little while ago.

Also, proud Englishman that I am, but I have to admit we have failed this test ourselves......As Lawrence attested to after WW1, we made deals with the Arabs and then promptly stabbed them in the back after the war.

I largely reject the leftist narrative about the British Empire being the devil, because compared to every other empire that ever existed we were probably the most benevolent.....No one slags off Mongolia yet any look at the history of the Mongol Empire and it's horrendous....they did nothing but exploit and destroy.....Yet no one says a word.

Much of the infrastructure both intellectual and physical that the British built in its empire is still being used within those countries today.....Long long after its projected lifetime because we were the best in the world at what we did.

All this gets ignored.....But they still use it.
 
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Spindle said:
I don't see him as a threat, I see the current coddling to the Muslims as a threat. More of a threat than Putin.

Why haven't you volunteered for the army yet?
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Yanokovych yes. The last democratically elected president. I suspect you would flee from a nazi mob if your life was in grave danger too.

Ive done enough volunteering and serving thanks. For someone so big with the slurs, you don't seem to back it up with action yourself very much if you don't mind me saying.

Meanwhile, back in IRAN, some actual sea piracy to run alongside the wider piracy has occurred. The US has boarded and taken control of an Iranian cargo ship during the ceasefire. Consequently the Strait is closed again. What is your defence for this?
 
Why do I need to defend it? I wouldn't call it piracy though, that's an incorrect definition in times of war.
 
No surprise that you wouldn't know given your love of Putin cos he's never stuck to one 🤣

A ceasefire doesn't mean the war is over, just that weapons aren't fired.
 
Stirlingsays said:
The US is preparing to seize Iran-related tankers in international waters in the coming days to expand its naval operation beyond the Middle East, writes The Wall Street Journal.

The American aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford entered the Red Sea accompanied by two destroyers.
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The blockade whether part of the plan seems to be working to the extent that the US navel effort is far enough offshore to see and deal with drones and the like. But can deal with any sanctioned tankers more safely than in the Strait.
 
Spindle said:
No surprise that you wouldn't know given your love of Putin cos he's never stuck to one 🤣

A ceasefire doesn't mean the war is over, just that weapons aren't fired.
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That hasnt stopped the US in the past either. In fact they have usually been more dangerous when the victim has lowered their guard. You would think Iran would have learned not to trust them after 50 years of sanctions and having watched so many illegal invasions and attacks elsewhere. You would probably call them interventions or something like this article does.

Every Country the United States Has Invaded, Bombed, or Staged a Coup In | DaveManuel.com

Complete timeline of every country the United States has invaded, bombed, or staged a coup in since 1776. Nearly 400 military interventions across 80+ countries, with interactive charts and data.
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chris123 said:
The blockade whether part of the plan seems to be working to the extent that the US navel effort is far enough offshore to see and deal with drones and the like. But can deal with any sanctioned tankers more safely than in the Strait.
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True....if you can't or won't change the regime with an invasion.....it's just about their only option.

However, be under no illusion.....It fecks us, just as much as it fecks Iran.
 
Stirlingsays said:
True....if you can't or won't change the regime with an invasion.....it's just about their only option.

However, be under no illusion.....It fecks us, just as much as it fecks Iran.
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Maybe I doubt these tankers are particularly mobile so intercepting them outside the Strait is a safer option for all. There are a lot of crew stuck too.
 
The USA shouldn't want a shipping war. Ships are vulnerable to missiles and drones. If the US puts big (military) ships there, it's going to get very messy very quickly
 
Meanwhile, back in Wales this morning. big queues at petrol stations. Idiots.
 
elgin eeagle said:
That hasnt stopped the US in the past either. In fact they have usually been more dangerous when the victim has lowered their guard. You would think Iran would have learned not to trust them after 50 years of sanctions and having watched so many illegal invasions and attacks elsewhere. You would probably call them interventions or something like this article does.

Every Country the United States Has Invaded, Bombed, or Staged a Coup In | DaveManuel.com

Complete timeline of every country the United States has invaded, bombed, or staged a coup in since 1776. Nearly 400 military interventions across 80+ countries, with interactive charts and data.
www.davemanuel.com www.davemanuel.com

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Iran the victim. Lol.
 
Spindle said:
Iran the victim. Lol.
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It's got to the point where you're more likely to meet Iranians, Palestinians, Afghanis, Syrians for example, than you are Americans, in everyday life. It then becomes somewhat inevitable that rubs off on everyone eventually.
In the past too, the media would show radical Iranians beating themselves and burning US flags. Now we see only victims of bombing or their official government line; whilst ridiculing the US regime and their government. That is bound to influence people too.
 
This war has dragged on so long it’s just becoming background noise like the Ukraine war has .
Iran have proved a far more formidable foe then many envisaged on here .
So much for it will all be over in days or a couple of weeks ..
 
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