Kamada

He’s a Glasner man, he will likely follow him wherever he goes.
Glasner ? isn't there a clause in every manager's contract ? something prohibiting them leaving a club and taking all their favourite players with them ? you often see a manager leave and then a contractual time-lag ( 6 to 18 months) before their players follow them.


Kamada has always been involved in our greatest games. Love him or hate him, the statistics do not lie. Whether or not he was also complicit in our notorious dip in Form ? i will leave that for some other Eagle to investigate. But a good performing Kamada is defo World-Class.
 
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Glasner ? isn't there a clause in every manager's contract ? something prohibiting them leaving a club and taking all their favourite players with them ?


Kamada has always been involved in our greatest games. Love him or hate him, the statistics do not lie.
While simultaneously fitting a bullet-proof vest, i have to agree. He will need careful replacement in the summer. There a few more than decent fellow Japanese players that would fit the bill nicely, also to keep the international balance.
 
Glasner ? isn't there a clause in every manager's contract ? something prohibiting them leaving a club and taking all their favourite players with them ? you often see a manager leave and then a contractual time-lag ( 6 to 18 months) before their players follow them.


Kamada has always been involved in our greatest games. Love him or hate him, the statistics do not lie. Whether or not he was also complicit in our notorious dip in Form ? i will leave that for some other Eagle to investigate. But a good performing Kamada is defo World-Class.
Agree with most of that. Did you actually say Kamada can be world class at times?
 
Glasner ? isn't there a clause in every manager's contract ? something prohibiting them leaving a club and taking all their favourite players with them ? you often see a manager leave and then a contractual time-lag ( 6 to 18 months) before their players follow them.


Kamada has always been involved in our greatest games. Love him or hate him, the statistics do not lie. Whether or not he was also complicit in our notorious dip in Form ? i will leave that for some other Eagle to investigate. But a good performing Kamada is defo World-Class.
He’s leaving at the end of his contract.

Nothing to do with Glasner taking him with him
 
I'm not a great fan, but thought he was very good last night. Far more mobile and was involved in most of our attacks. A couple of misplaced long passes, but one of his best performances in a Palace shirt. He's probably benefiting from being part of the highly successful Japan team that has just beaten England and Brazil.
 
He very nearly snuck one in last night
He assist was good
His play was ok

But I agree his return on investment of wages has not been great

This will allow us to establish players into that position yet I’m thinking Hughes is slowing down & wont cut it next season to replace Kamada
 
I have never viewed Kamada in the same 'Negative' light as many on HOL and perhaps those outside this esteemed site. I have appreciated his overall contribution and he is an important cog in the 'Glasner Wheel' where he is well versed in the system.
Initially he found the physicality of the PL challenging but his skillset in terms of being a playmaker is where he excels.
He is a quiet lad, not the loudest in the dressing room but he is so professional.
I am not expecting to see him in our colours next season.
A good summary.
 
Ironically, I think anyone who has never seen us play before might have assumed Kamada and Pino were our two best players last night (and that Palace fans would think the same). My assessment of the two of them is as follows:

Kamada - Technically very neat however not brilliantly compatible with the English game in most physical senses, including the intensity of the football. Can look a bit too fast for him, leading to misplaced passes and looking useless in close quarter encounters. Positionally and tactically superb though, which is why a system manager like OG loves him. Therefore those that concentrate on him individually (fans) are likely to notice the mistakes and/or perceived weaknesses in his performance. However, they are also unlikely to see his valuable hollistic contribution to the team, how we play and our success (which a good manager or coach can/would) with his tactical awareness and technical neatness.

Pino - Again, somewhat unadapted to English football. Little flicks and tricks which may work in Spain plus the intensity can lead to him looking out of place, a liability and occasionally useless. Definitely techinically very good though and skillful. Quick feet, can hit a ball and yesterday danced around the pitch in an almost Maradona-esque fashion. If he can adapt to the intensity, he'll be a worldy for us. His career path and injuries haven't helped him though, so the hope must be that these do not continue.

So, IMHO and experience, both players catch flack in a PL season as even one mistake can cost you and every game has an intensity which can cause them to appear anonymous or disastrous.

However in cup competitions, particularly in Europe, provided the football is not 5-3-2 vs 9-0-1, we may well see their true value.

COYP.
 
He very nearly snuck one in last night
He assist was good
His play was ok

But I agree his return on investment of wages has not been great

This will allow us to establish players into that position yet I’m thinking Hughes is slowing down & wont cut it next season to replace Kamada
It's not about wages but the overall cost of the player. As a free transfer he will have got a signing-on fee that was then added to his wages to make up the £100k a week. He will have cost us £10m come the end of his contract in June considerably less than has been spent on Nketiah and Johnson and Pino etc. I don't rave over him as he has had a number of poor performances but not as many as some like to think. Part of his skillset is knowing how to block the channels, something he does well but it's not often recognized by fans.

I was one of the 27% who voted him player of the match last night as along with Wharton I thought he bossed the game in the first half and he made crucial contributions to our 2nd and 3rd goals.

Given how much PL players cost I think we've had our money's worth out of him.
 
There was a point early on last night where Kamada tried a cross field ball to Munoz and shanked it so badly that the ballboys are still looking for the ball. I was about to tut and huff but then thought, actually, at least he's trying something a bit more bold and higher risk. Normally he'd pass that ten yards to one of the centre backs.

Fast forward a bit and he's picked out an absolute beauty of a pass to Munoz for the second goal, again being far more adventurous than usual. Then he tops it all with a Beckham-like ball onto Sarrs head.

I find it hard to believe he's been given different instructions from Glasner all of a sudden, but he definitely looked like he had a different mindset last night.
 
Slightly off topic, watching Japan beat England a couple of weeks ago, made me realise there are some really decent players in their team. Certainly an area worth exploring for the future.

I’ve already put a few quid on them reaching the final!
 
It's not about wages but the overall cost of the player. As a free transfer he will have got a signing-on fee that was then added to his wages to make up the £100k a week. He will have cost us £10m come the end of his contract in June considerably less than has been spent on Nketiah and Johnson and Pino etc. I don't rave over him as he has had a number of poor performances but not as many as some like to think. Part of his skillset is knowing how to block the channels, something he does well but it's not often recognized by fans.

I was one of the 27% who voted him player of the match last night as along with Wharton I thought he bossed the game in the first half and he made crucial contributions to our 2nd and 3rd goals.

Given how much PL players cost I think we've had our money's worth out of him.
People don't seem to be able to work out the true cost of a player, you are absolutely correct, he has been a bargain.
To be replaced by Doucoure next season.
 
It’s hard not to watch the actual football but out of possession is DK has strength. He is analysing the oppo and regularly breaks up play by being in the correct place on the pitch. If you watch him he’s like an owl constantly looking around at other players moves and positions.
Our stats with him in to out would be interesting.
 
There was a point early on last night where Kamada tried a cross field ball to Munoz and shanked it so badly that the ballboys are still looking for the ball. I was about to tut and huff but then thought, actually, at least he's trying something a bit more bold and higher risk. Normally he'd pass that ten yards to one of the centre backs.

Fast forward a bit and he's picked out an absolute beauty of a pass to Munoz for the second goal, again being far more adventurous than usual. Then he tops it all with a Beckham-like ball onto Sarrs head.

I find it hard to believe he's been given different instructions from Glasner all of a sudden, but he definitely looked like he had a different mindset last night.
He's looking for his next transfer.
 
People don't seem to be able to work out the true cost of a player, you are absolutely correct, he has been a bargain.
To be replaced by Doucoure next season.
That would be great, I loved the Douc when fit, if we can get him back to that one good season he had where Liverpool were rumoured to be wanting to offer £70 million for him(if we believe that) to quote that well worn footballing cliche’ he’ll be like a new signing
 
It's not about wages but the overall cost of the player. As a free transfer he will have got a signing-on fee that was then added to his wages to make up the £100k a week. He will have cost us £10m come the end of his contract in June considerably less than has been spent on Nketiah and Johnson and Pino etc. I don't rave over him as he has had a number of poor performances but not as many as some like to think. Part of his skillset is knowing how to block the channels, something he does well but it's not often recognized by fans.

I was one of the 27% who voted him player of the match last night as along with Wharton I thought he bossed the game in the first half and he made crucial contributions to our 2nd and 3rd goals.

Given how much PL players cost I think we've had our money's worth out of him.
All true. Kamada is far from top of the list when it comes to questionable value for money, partly because so many more expensive players have played as poorly or noticeably worse, and partly because we've paid so little (£10m) for his services.

Where I disagree with some, however, is that where they think we've got a top player for a bargain price, I think Kamada looks very much like the low budget fill-in player that the costs suggest.

His performance on Thursday stood out by a mile because he so rarely even attempts expansive or forward passes. He has provided little in that respect. I get the importance of doing the simple things well, but that doesn't mean someone who can only do the simple things over and again is a good player. Kamada is very average with the ball. Almost all of his passing is short, sideways, and (most significantly) slow. He takes one too many touches and a second too long almost all the time. Any advantage we would get from him keeping the ball moving is often lost by how long he takes to do it, and how predictable his use of the ball generally is.

I also appreciate that positioning and screening the back three is important, and that sometimes it will dissuade a forward pass that would otherwise have hurt us. That doesn't mean though that overall we are less likely to concede with Kamada playing. He not only lacks physicality, but also physical courage. Some of Whartons bookings have come about after he's run past Kamada to go and press the ball. He offers little when defending set plays or long balls. His way of defending seems to stem from the limited things he is capable of rather than a higher understanding on his part.

We will always need to be creative in the market, and Kamada has not been a bad signing n terms of value. He just isn't a particularly good player.

Ultimately, top flight clubs have wall to wall scouting and transfer teams, and they all knew that Kamada had one year left on his contract last summer. He had just played on the big stage at Wembley, and done well on the day. Yet all summer long not only were no bids reported, there seemed no interest of note in him. If he was a top class player available for very little or free, you'd think there would be. You'd think he'd at least have been snapped up on a precontract in January. Those are the hallmarks of a player the market recognises as valuable. But yet, no.

There is very little suggestion even that palace have pushed him to sign new terms. None of this suggests that people whose job it is to strengthen top flight sides within a budget see Kamada in a very positive light. That seems telling.

I appreciate we don't know what offers he's had. Perhaps in fact a Europa League level side or higher wants him, and palace want him to stay, and somehow all of that has stayed out of the press, and they are all prepared to risk letting him sign a precontract with someone else because they trust a verbal agreement they've made with him so much. It would be very unusual, though. What seems more likely is that they all see him as OK but no more than that, even by mid table standards.

In other words, that the market doesn't rate him all that highly, and are prepared to risk leaving him on the shelf until later on. Given that he is so inexpensive overall, that really doesn't say much for his quality.
 
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Glasner ? isn't there a clause in every manager's contract ? something prohibiting them leaving a club and taking all their favourite players with them ? you often see a manager leave and then a contractual time-lag ( 6 to 18 months) before their players follow them.


Kamada has always been involved in our greatest games. Love him or hate him, the statistics do not lie. Whether or not he was also complicit in our notorious dip in Form ? i will leave that for some other Eagle to investigate. But a good performing Kamada is defo World-Class.
I doubt very much that you can contractually stop a player going to another club so if Kamada wanted to follow Glasner as he has in the past then what’s to stop him?

Not sure of the veracity of your statement about Kamada either. He has been played because Glasner likes him despite him being largely ineffective for many appearances. I won’t deny him one or two decent performances however I’ve seen him play far more poor games than decent ones in a Palace shirt.
 

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