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Stansferret said:
Just so you know, I’m not left wing. I’m not as extreme as you but certainly not a socialist. So maybe you can understand why I find your insinuations so puerile.
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Well, once again, you made no argument.

As regards your self contention.

Thinking that being left wing in the modern day is about socialism is very out of date.

I would ask how old you are because if you think me childish then maybe you're ancient.

What identifies people in the modern day also relates to their views on social issues like feminism, homosexuality, civil liberties and immigration. In fact the immigration issue rose to be the number one topic in opinion polls.....many due to the pro immigrant attitude of centralists and the left once in office, which was in opposition to what they had said before gaining power.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Well, once again, you made no argument.

As regards your self contention.

Thinking that being left wing in the modern day is about socialism is very out of date.

I would ask how old you are because if you think me childish then maybe you're ancient.

What identifies people in the modern day also relates to their views on social issues like feminism, homosexuality, civil liberties and immigration. In fact the immigration issue rose to be the number one topic in opinion polls.....many due to the pro immigrant attitude of centralists and the left once in office, which was in opposition to what they had said before gaining power.
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I think you are right in that the modern left has parted ways from socialism and embraced identitarianism (horrid word) which leaves most folk over 50 cold.

I am not sure there was ever a pro immigration government after the 1970s. We will fight over this but I suspect it was more to do with deciding not to spend scarce resources on stopping the flow... and then dressing up the outcome with outward displays of multicultural embracement.

Not the same as active encouragement or facilitating.
 
Stansferret said:
Just so you know, I’m not left wing. I’m not as extreme as you but certainly not a socialist. So maybe you can understand why I find your insinuations so puerile.
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Nor was that yesterday man Wisbech, according to him.
 
DanH said:
Yet another person cosplaying for a time before they were even born is it?

What is it with you lot longing for an era you never even experienced? Bizarre.
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Very limited immigration in my childhood and teens and no use of daft words like ‘cosplaying’. Also, one can have an opinion about something without having directly experienced it.
 
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georgenorman said:
Very limited immigration in my childhood and teens and no use of daft words like ‘cosplaying’. Also, one can have an opinion about something without having directly experienced it.
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Very little immigration yet even a couple of decades earlier people like Oswald Mosley had a lot of support. It’s almost like people of the political persuasion of many on here will find a minority to try and persecute and blame for their own failures no matter what is going on at the time.
 
silvertop said:
I think you are right in that the modern left has parted ways from socialism and embraced identitarianism (horrid word) which leaves most folk over 50 cold.
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Indeed.

silvertop said:
I am not sure there was ever a pro immigration government after the 1970s. We will fight over this but I suspect it was more to do with deciding not to spend scarce resources on stopping the flow... and then dressing up the outcome with outward displays of multicultural embracement.

Not the same as active encouragement or facilitating.
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I think the treasury look at an aging population and declining birth rates and augment it with their need to justify their existence and thus view immigration of young foreign males as their principle way of ensuring 'line go up'. Anyone who looks and points out the obvious ponzi scheme nature of that approach is no doubt met with the line that it'll be someone's else's problem to fix......which apparently allows them to worsen the problem in the meantime.

As most filtered into the treasury are social liberals from privileged backgrounds they can and do excuse objections to this unspoken but obvious policy as racism and bigotry......and any other objections as a price worth paying for 'line go up'.

Japan's approach is ignored as is the obvious automation effects happening (only to increase and expand).....No doubt any backward look at these policy decisions will be memory holed. We will have a lot of foreigners and those with foreign heritage whose's only reason to be here is steal themselves a better lifestyle from the native British/European.

Aside from the social cohesion and security implications. The fact that, in general, different forms of immigration produce different economic outcomes is again ignored because of fears that the racist implications are true.

As a social conservative who looks at the future with the massive and possibly fatal issues that these well paid privileged mostly neo/social liberals have caused.... I find it very hard to comment on them without a huge amount of anger.

I'll leave it at that.
 
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DanH said:
Very little immigration yet even a couple of decades earlier people like Oswald Mosley had a lot of support. It’s almost like people of the political persuasion of many on here will find a minority to try and persecute and blame for their own failures no matter what is going on at the time.
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We were talking about mass immigration over the last 70 years or so being the biggest self-inflicted wound and you try to deflect by a vague reference to Oswald Mosley.
 
DanH said:
Very little immigration yet even a couple of decades earlier people like Oswald Mosley had a lot of support. It’s almost like people of the political persuasion of many on here will find a minority to try and persecute and blame for their own failures no matter what is going on at the time.
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Depends how you define Lot of support.

Mosley was elected (as Labour MP). The BUF never achieved any electoral success which for me is the benchmark of a political parties support. At it's height the BUF claimed 50,000 supporters so they could just about fill a football stadium.

I don't doubt a large group of marching men in blackshirts must have looked intimating, but you can say that about any political demonstration.

The Far Right have never been a real threat in this country. There will always be a small group of extremists whether they be racists or eco warriors. Its when these people start getting elected that we need to worry.
 
Badger11 said:
Depends how you define Lot of support.

Mosley was elected (as Labour MP). The BUF never achieved any electoral success which for me is the benchmark of a political parties support. At it's height the BUF claimed 50,000 supporters so they could just about fill a football stadium.

I don't doubt a large group of marching men in blackshirts must have looked intimating, but you can say that about any political demonstration.

The Far Right have never been a real threat in this country. There will always be a small group of extremists whether they be racists or eco warriors. Its when these people start getting elected that we need to worry.
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Who are these people?

What will they do that you are worried about?

Personally I think the situation we are in is what's extreme and yet the people who created it think of themselves as mainstream.
 
Badger11 said:
Depends how you define Lot of support.

Mosley was elected (as Labour MP). The BUF never achieved any electoral success which for me is the benchmark of a political parties support. At it's height the BUF claimed 50,000 supporters so they could just about fill a football stadium.

I don't doubt a large group of marching men in blackshirts must have looked intimating, but you can say that about any political demonstration.

The Far Right have never been a real threat in this country. There will always be a small group of extremists whether they be racists or eco warriors. Its when these people start getting elected that we need to worry.
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A very fair point.
 
DanH said:
This is how you sane wash your fringe viewpoints.
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Again, as typical with most of the left on here, you completely ignore the actual contents of the post and just make some meaningless whine about the poster.

I know that this is what you want, so I'll say that I think that in fact you are the one who has supported the extremists.

I grew up in the 80s, socially the majority in the country were at ease with themselves.

It's the people you support....or policies at least, who created the social discord and economic mess the country is in.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Coming from someone whose whole outlook is back towards past times that will never return that’s really quite funny. And pathetic.
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You are literally the guy who can't get over Donald Trump who's been around politcally since 2015.

You're the boomer who's living in the past who can't live in the present....complaining about others.
 
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