Glasner Out

[est1905]

I hope you're right because so far I've seen zero potential that he's worth anywhere close to the 35m we've spent on him.

A good player does not become a bad one over night. Ask any Forest fan. He practically got them promoted on his own. First year in the Prem with them unplayable which was why Spurs paid £47m for him.
He will come good. I have no doubt whatsoever.

 

[Norbury Old Git]

Of course it was. It was his release clause. We had no control over the deal to get more than that and it was the only way to get Olise to stay the year before. If it was a bad deal Bayern would have got him for less. The fact is we made them pay every penny or go away.
Besides, I personally would not have sold Olise for less than £70m at the time but market forces dictated 2 things. 1. Theres no way we'd have got that much. 2. There was no way we were keeping Michael beyond that summer.
£56m (which was the release amount I am told) was a brilliant deal

Olise himself set the release amount £50+5 or 6 add ons which have now probably been paid. A good World Cup, Champions League win or Ballon d’Or would probably make him worth well in excess of £100m. We are then likely to get a nice cut of 10-20% if he gets bought by one of the really big boys although I don’t think the Bayern fans would be too impressed.

 

[Faz]

Has this Topic Title run its Cause ?

He’s out soon ie end of Season

Or will a discussion be had if he wins the Cup ?

Cos then he has a new challenge that he seeks

 

[CT Charlie]

I'd love to see the correlation between Muñoz's health and our overall success. Ditto Guehi's availability, with a dollop of Lacroix and Sarr. Likewise, healthy Mateta was useful for us; injury-carrying/hiding Mateta has been a liability.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Has Glasner put Harry kane on corners, has Glasner played arguably the best LB of all time at CM, has Glasner been knocked out by Iceland, Has Glasner been Liverpools worst manager in the Premier league era, Has Hodgson won the fa cup, has Hodgson won the Europa league. You're so clueless its funny

How unbelievable insulting to Roy Hodgson, you seem to have no standards, disgraceful to Roy

 

[Glazier#1]

Of course it was. It was his release clause. We had no control over the deal to get more than that and it was the only way to get Olise to stay the year before. If it was a bad deal Bayern would have got him for less. The fact is we made them pay every penny or go away.
Besides, I personally would not have sold Olise for less than £70m at the time but market forces dictated 2 things. 1. There's no way we'd have got that much. 2. There was no way we were keeping Michael beyond that summer.
£56m (which was the release amount I am told) was a brilliant deal

Yeah... you're right, of course. It was some coup to keep him out of Chelsea's clutches the summer before so I suppose the fee was to be expected.

I still think Bayern got a truly great deal to get him for even 55 mil. In my opinion, talent-wise, he was a 100 mil player.

Just by the by, didn't Reading get 8m or something as their part of the sell-on clause?

 

[mtp1958]

Sorry, I must be a bit thick - I don't understand the point.

Myself I think the quality in the prem has gone down , and not getting better that has really been shown up in euro comps ; and refs replying on var ; perfect storm the lge has to sort out

 

[Badger11]

Myself I think the quality in the prem has gone down , and not getting better that has really been shown up in euro comps ; and refs replying on var ; perfect storm the lge has to sort out

Agreed. Liverpool, Manure, Chelsea, City and Spurs are not unbeatable.

The Arse aren't that good but they are thr best of a bad bunch.

I don't think this has anything to do with VAR or ref's it's just cyclical, those teams will come again.

 

[est1905]

Yeah... you're right, of course. It was some coup to keep him out of Chelsea's clutches the summer before so I suppose the fee was to be expected.

I still think Bayern got a truly great deal to get him for even 55 mil. In my opinion, talent-wise, he was a 100 mil player.

Just by the by, didn't Reading get 8m or something as their part of the sell-on clause?

I think so yes. At a time when they desperately needed the money so it all worked well for everyone

 

[Paul Salvage]

Well he managed to get us our highest points finish over a full season, he also got wolfsburg champions league qualification over a full season. So i don't really get how you've concluded he's only a cup manager.

The point I was making is that he has now won a couple of cups with underdog teams, and this is due to playing far less games and even then all the components have to be working.

With regard to the league form, he achieved our highest number of points last season but with a system that others hadn’t yet figured out and all the players were on top of their game. But as soon as he gets found out he has nothing else to offer.
He doesn’t utilise his resources, and he can not adapt. So without taking the time to look at his managerial career in full I suspect that the two seasons you mention were against the norm. Please feel free to research it and let me know if I’m wrong.

 

[Eaglecoops]

Olise himself set the release amount £50+5 or 6 add ons which have now probably been paid. A good World Cup, Champions League win or Ballon d’Or would probably make him worth well in excess of £100m. We are then likely to get a nice cut of 10-20% if he gets bought by one of the really big boys although I don’t think the Bayern fans would be too impressed.

I believe Olise has a release clause in his Bayern contact too. He seems to have had his entire career mapped out for himself from an early age.

 

[rikz]

The point I was making is that he has now won a couple of cups with underdog teams, and this is due to playing far less games and even then all the components have to be working.

With regard to the league form, he achieved our highest number of points last season but with a system that others hadn’t yet figured out and all the players were on top of their game. But as soon as he gets found out he has nothing else to offer.
He doesn’t utilise his resources, and he can not adapt. So without taking the time to look at his managerial career in full I suspect that the two seasons you mention were against the norm. Please feel free to research it and let me know if I’m wrong.

Nope I don't understand what point you're trying to make at all, I dont think you do either, you're just grasping at straws, trying your hardest to convince yourself and others, he's a bad manager, you have no facts just assumptions. Just give up
Its fine to not want him as manager due to his outbursts but he's not a bad manager.

 

[Paul Salvage]

Nope I don't understand what point you're trying to make at all, I dont think you do either, you're just grasping at straws, trying your hardest to convince yourself and others, he's a bad manager, you have no facts just assumptions. Just give up
Its fine to not want him as manager due to his outbursts but he's not a bad manager.

I thought the sun shone out of his arse when he won the cup, but now I don’t.
It has been said to death about his long spells without a win, or losing to Macclesfield, or his refusal to change when the plan isn’t working. Playing players out of position just to play the same system. Not to mention his tantrums, lack of accountability or his truculent replies in press conferences. (Not sure I’m grasping at straws)

So it’s ok that you don’t get my point. It’s all about opinions and we will forever be grateful for the cup, but as I have said before, I will be glad when the season is over and we can all move on. For better or for worse!

 

[TheBigToePunt]

A good player does not become a bad one over night. Ask any Forest fan. He practically got them promoted on his own. First year in the Prem with them unplayable which was why Spurs paid £47m for him.
He will come good. I have no doubt whatsoever.

I have come to hope that Johnson will revert to being the player he was if the new manager puts him on the right wing, which seems to be where he did well for forest and Spurs. It's part of the criticism of Glasner that he's played Johnson out of position and, in so doing, derailed him.

Thing is, the theory only works if the player has such a specific skill set that being moved from right wing at previous clubs to inside forward at palace is all it takes to turn him from a goalscoring talent into an innocent bystander.

I think that's perhaps a stretch too far for me. I think the player has to take the largest share of the blame for his own poor form.