Iran

Hrolf The Ganger said:
Yeah. His wife was killed by a terrorist bomb a few years back. It's understandable that he has lost his stomach for a fight.
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What a disgraceful thing to say. Bringing his dead wife into it. Really scummy.

His actual reasons. Quote:

"After much reflection, I have decided to resign from my position as Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, effective today. I cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran. Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby."

Well, if anyone would know the truth, he did. Make that 97-0 to the conspiracy theorists.

How's your stomach for a fight by the way? War-mongering from behind a keyboard online all day. Why don't you enlist? Show him how its done
 
McAhuna said:
What a disgraceful thing to say. Bringing his dead wife into it. Really scummy.

His actual reasons. Quote:

"After much reflection, I have decided to resign from my position as Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, effective today. I cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran. Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby."

Well, if anyone would know the truth, he did. Make that 97-0 to the conspiracy theorists.

How's your stomach for a fight by the way? War-mongering from behind a keyboard online all day. Why don't you enlist? Show him how its done
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Just what this site needed.

We just don't have enough self righteous, holier than thou toss pots on here.

I'd say it's a fair bet that losing your wife like that would ruin your appetite for war, but you obviously think we should ignore that. He clearly wasn't on board so its better he goes.

I don't enlist because I'm 61 years old and not dumb. I leave all that adventuring to those who are happy to risk getting their head blown off. That was their choice. Remember that.
 
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ASCPFC said:
Plenty of terrorist attacks these days are filed under mental health or not really reported that much. People are also jaded with that. I think you would have had a point but it's past that.
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Probably filed under that because that is what they are.

Last mad act I can think of is the nutter driving his car at a synagogue. Made headline news world wide.

And these attacks are not exactly on the scale of bombing Gaza or Iran.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
One of those imponderable questions.

How would one know?
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This is the 2nd time I’ve asked for a benefit of a course of action you support (the other was on the war on drugs) and both times you have broadly suggested that consequences of things you support are irrelevant and/or immeasurable.

This naturally begs the question of why the feck you support them.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
This is the 2nd time I’ve asked for a benefit of a course of action you support (the other was on the war on drugs) and both times you have broadly suggested that consequences of things you support are irrelevant and/or immeasurable.

This naturally begs the question of why the feck you support them.
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What has the war on drugs to do with this?

Again. It's not possible to assess the benefits of hypotheticals. You implied that there was no regime change in Iraq and Libya, so I wouldn't get on my high horse just yet.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
What has the war on drugs to do with this?

Again. It's not possible to assess the benefits of hypotheticals. You implied that there was no regime change in Iraq and Libya, so I wouldn't get on my high horse just yet.
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It’s got to do with your support of things that you don’t seem to be able to offer a benefit of.

That wasn't what I implied at all - I implied regime change has never been successful, which it hasn’t.
 
silvertop said:
Probably filed under that because that is what they are.

Last mad act I can think of is the nutter driving his car at a synagogue. Made headline news world wide.

And these attacks are not exactly on the scale of bombing Gaza or Iran.
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Yeah, I wonder why that is.

Could it be an international effort to surveil and neutralise potential terrorists?
Maybe attacking and neutralising their sponsors and agitators will help? No?

Maybe they want to be friends after all. 🙄 🤔
 
CPFCSaturn said:
It’s got to do with your support of things that you don’t seem to be able to offer a benefit of.

That wasn't what I implied at all - I implied regime change has never been successful, which it hasn’t.
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You think we should go soft on drugs.
You think we should ignore Iran's nuclear threat.

Maybe there is a connection after all.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
You think we should go soft on drugs.
You think we should ignore Iran's nuclear threat.

Maybe there is a connection after all.
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The connection is I want to know what we are getting in return for the enormous cost of the war on drugs and military intervention overseas.

You don’t seem to care what we get in return.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I doubt it's that.

The guy is a war hero, was in special forces and has six bronze star medals for combat operations.

As far as I'm concerned, guys like that get to say whatever they want.
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And he did.

I don't think any of us believe that Iran is a serious threat to America in terms military action.
Perhaps they could be in the future if they acquire ICBMs with nukes.

Truthfully, it is the American mentality to dish out some payback. Part of this is motivated by that and the rest is about what might be if they don't. No doubt, Israel has had a big influence on this because for one thing, they are a strategic ally and would be first on the list for a nuke. We can't really know how close that was to becoming reality.

We can argue the probability of it happening, but how can you second guess a regime run by religious fanatics?
 
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CPFCSaturn said:
The connection is I want to know what we are getting in return for the enormous cost of the war on drugs and military intervention overseas.

You don’t seem to care what we get in return.
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For the third time. How can you know? There is no objective measure.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
And he did.

I don't think any of us believe that Iran is a serious threat to America in terms military action.
Perhaps in the future they could be if they acquire ICBMs with nukes.

Truthfully, it is the American mentality to dish out some payback. Part of this is motivated by that and the rest is about what might be if they don't. No doubt, Israel has had a big influence on this because for one thing, they are a strategic ally and would be first on the list for a nuke. We can't really know how close that was to becoming reality.

We can argue the probability of it happening, but how can you second guess a regime run by religious fanatics?
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I've said it many times, I was once a neo con but the Iraq war changed that stance.

I don't see how this ends in better outcomes personally......If you were going to start a war with Iran you have to overthrow the regime otherwise the situation is more radical not less.

Iran and nuclear weapons is a misdirection. If Iran wanted a nuclear weapon they can just buy one from Russia or China.....Russia have had their troops killed by US munitions and China is engaged in an economic war and also supplies Russia.....So it's not as if the US has been making friends here.

Trump has to be careful not to walk into far worse outcomes than he's already created.

He has to find a way of opening up the strait again, otherwise economies are going to hit....and that's ours as well.....badly and within weeks.

Iran currently won't negotiate with the US and they see the strait as a way to punish and ensure they aren't hit again.......There's a lot of omission in the news.

Trump is in a difficult situation.....but it's of his own making.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I've said it many times, I was once a neo con but the Iraq war changed that stance.

I don't see how this ends in better outcomes personally......If you were going to start a war with Iran you have to overthrow the regime otherwise the situation is more radical not less.

Iran and nuclear weapons is a misdirection. If Iran wanted a nuclear weapon they can just buy one from Russia or China.....Russia have had their troops killed by US munitions and China is engaged in an economic war and also supplies Russia.....So it's not as if the US has been making friends here.

Trump has to be careful not to walk into far worse outcomes than he's already created.

He has to find a way of opening up the strait again, otherwise economies are going to hit....and that's ours as well.....badly and within weeks.

Iran currently won't negotiate with the US and they see the strait as a way to punish and ensure they aren't hit again.......There's a lot of omission in the news.

Trump is in a difficult situation.....but it's of his own making.
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I'm not sure China or Russia would be dumb enough to give Iran a nuke. They would have years ago.

When you take military action, there can always be unforeseen circumstances. That isn't a reason not to.

I think we need to sit back and see how this pans out. Both sides will try and claim victory if both sides are still standing. In truth, the US could kill the Iranian leadership anytime they want going forward, so this isn't necessarily over when it's 'over'. Israel will have an all but destroyed Iranian military to deal with for some time. Who knows what they plan next? No one in the gulf is going to stop them.
 
Trump calling on the west to send it's warships into the strait of Hormuz to escort oil tankers whilst not being prepared to do the same with his own ships whilst in a disaster of his own making is hilarious, the absolute cheek of the old b******.
I'll make this clear if you send a warship into the strait it will sink.
None of this is on NATO to deal with.

Currently Trumps armadas have retreated back roughly 700km from Iran such is the threat from submersible & conventional drones & ballistic weapons

There is also talk of Marines taking kharg island, firstly it's a geographic nightmare to get there, an even bigger one logistically & then there's the drone swarms that would wipe out every US soldier that occupies that island, it would be a blood sacrifice, maybe that's what Tru...Nethanyahu needs for a full scale ground invasion.

At the start of the war I said team jihad would have home advantage, given close access to ballistic missiles & drones whilst team Epstein's ships need restocking & rearming, it's going how I predicted so far.
 
McAhuna said:
You are helping dismantle that moral code of conduct.

And lets get specific. Iran funds Hamas, Iran funds Hezbollah. Iran targets Israel.
It doesn't really target us.

More importantly, Iran does not fund ISIS who are the main threat to us. The same ISIS that NEVER attacks Israel. I wonder why? It mostly targets arab states. Do you ever wonder who funds ISIS?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2032360786627346635
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Wait. Israel, the jewish people, BACKED ISIS?


HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
 
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