War in the Middle East

[Forest Hillbilly]

Here is another interview with Professor Sachs. It’s not for the faint hearted because it is extremely depressing and concerning but because it comes from such an authority it deserves to be taken very seriously.

I just hope those in Congress watch him and do take it seriously.

A good and interesting take, which only time can prove right. A bit emotionally-charged for an academic, and somewhat against the flow of the current USA administration

 

[Racehorse-80s]

If this is winning war , I’d hate to see what losing a war is like .
US need ground troops including those from nearby country’s to achieve their goal of regime change .

 

[chris123]

A lot of gas comes from Norway who have been much better than us at not abandoning the North Sea, but have maintained a huge fund from it's hydrocarbon production going back to the 80s, and we didn't.

Just to add that China get a lot of oil from Iran and won't want to be paying top dollar or have inventory stuck in Hormuz.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

If this is winning war , I’d hate to see what losing a war is like .
US need ground troops including those from nearby country’s to achieve their goal of regime change .

I think the USA is more in danger of regime change than Iran 🙂

 

[McAhuna]

It's a warship in a war, in international waters.

Allegations include:
It had (pre-conflict) been engaged in an exercise with the Indian Navy, which a US vessel also participated in. This included taking part in a parade in the Indian port
It departed the exercise and was sunk by the same vessel.
Survivors were left and had to be rescued by Sri Lankan authorities.

Not sure how much of that is true and yes, you could probably justify all of it on 'Well, War', but it is obviously a controversial alleged sequence of events if correct.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Just to add that China get a lot of oil from Iran and won't want to be paying top dollar or have inventory stuck in Hormuz.

They will just swap to buying more from Russia.

That doesn't need to go via the Strait of Hormuz.

 

[HKOwen]

Allegations include:
It had (pre-conflict) been engaged in an exercise with the Indian Navy, which a US vessel also participated in. This included taking part in a parade in the Indian port
It departed the exercise and was sunk by the same vessel.
Survivors were left and had to be rescued by Sri Lankan authorities.

Not sure how much of that is true and yes, you could probably justify all of it on 'Well War', but it is obviously a controversial alleged sequence of events if correct.

I think you will find the sub was not part of the Milan exercise.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

What this situation emphasises is how a country like Iran can affect our economy by cutting off oil supply.
This is the very best reason to replace their government and take control of the shipping route, so this can never happen.

Meanwhile, in Britain, Starmer and his gang of morons will have had a little chat and decided that they must appear deeply concerned about the war and how it will affect people's pockets. That can remove all responsibility for the complete mess the chancellor has made of things and make Donald Trump, and by association, Nigel Farage look like the bad guys who made us poor.
Never mind about Iran's nuclear weapons or supporting our greatest ally. All that bellend cares about is his own job and votes for Labour.

Instead of trying to get votes from people's fears, what the government should do is lower the tax on fuel and fine oil companies if they profiteer as a result. That money could then be used as a payment to offset the cost to consumers.

 

[dreamwaverider]

Lots of horror stories are circulating about the Iranian ship that was sunk off Sri Lanka.

Allegations that the Iranians were invited as guests by India, and worse

https://twitter.com/x/status/2029400008341282850

So the Iranian warship had completed its parade in India, and decided to poddle off home, unaware that the Arabian sea was swarming with US boats and also that the Strait of Hormuz was closed. Maybe no one had told them a war was going on.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

So the Iranian warship had completed its parade in India, and decided to poddle off home, unaware that the Arabian sea was swarming with US boats and also that the Strait of Hormuz was closed. Maybe no one had told them a war was going on.

So what?
War is war. Did we have all these enemy sympathetic stories during WW2?

 

[HKOwen]

What this situation emphasises is how a country like Iran can affect our economy by cutting off oil supply.
This is the very best reason to replace their government and take control of the shipping route, so this can never happen.

Meanwhile, in Britain, Starmer and his gang of morons will have had a little chat and decided that they must appear deeply concerned about the war and how it will affect people's pockets. That can remove all responsibility for the complete mess the chancellor has made of things and make Donald Trump, and by association, Nigel Farage look like the bad guys who made us poor.
Never mind about Iran's nuclear weapons or supporting our greatest ally. All that bellend cares about is his own job and votes for Labour.

Instead of trying to get votes from people's fears, what the government should do is lower the tax on fuel and fine oil companies if they profiteer as a result. That money could then be used as a payment to offset the cost to consumers.

Yes, the Straits of Hormuz should be under] some kind of international control, it is too critical to global commerce

 

[HKOwen]

Allegations include:
It had (pre-conflict) been engaged in an exercise with the Indian Navy, which a US vessel also participated in. This included taking part in a parade in the Indian port
It departed the exercise and was sunk by the same vessel.
Survivors were left and had to be rescued by Sri Lankan authorities.

Not sure how much of that is true and yes, you could probably justify all of it on 'Well War', but it is obviously a controversial alleged sequence of events if correct.

Just google naval exercise " Milan "

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Yes, the Straits of Hormuz should be under] some kind of international control, it is too critical to global commerce

Exactly.

And this also really highlights the absurdity of Milliband's green policy.

 

[beak]

Heaps of pressure on the U.S. to get this done quickly ever spiraling cost of oil which adds heavily to increasing inflation which in turn affects growth and jobs, at the moment ground forces will not go into Iran as the terrain is difficult and the regime there know this and will sit things out and claim a victory to the Iranian people. Americans forgive administrations anything except mishandling the economy.They already have the spectre of tariffs which act as a v.a.t. on american consumption, it is a well acronym on Wall Street t.a.c.o Trump always Chickens Out. A Trump fudge coming up.

 

[beak]

Just to add that China get a lot of oil from Iran and won't want to be paying top dollar or have inventory stuck in Hormuz.

Mate' s rates will apply.😉

 

[McAhuna]

So the Iranian warship had completed its parade in India, and decided to poddle off home, unaware that the Arabian sea was swarming with US boats and also that the Strait of Hormuz was closed. Maybe no one had told them a war was going on.

Or maybe their fellow participants in the 'friendly' naval exercise tipped off exactly where and when they were heading?

Incidentally, in WW2 Nazi U-boats rescued the survivors of the ships they sunk, up until the 1942 Laconia incident when an American plane attacked them amidst a survivor rescue operation.

 

[McAhuna]

Yes, the Straits of Hormuz should be under] some kind of international control, it is too critical to global commerce

How would that work in international law?

What if the 'international community' decided that the English Channel between Dover and Calais was just too important for international shipping, so they were confiscating British and French waters?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

How would that work in international law?

What if the 'international community' decided that the English Channel between Dover and Calais was just too important for international shipping, so they were confiscating British and French waters?

We don't have the majority of the world's oil supply running through the English Channel.
It is in the West's interests. That is all the reason I need.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

war is war. Did we have all these enemy sympathetic stories during WW2?

no. But we did have stories of the nice ethical Red-Army who were descending down into Eastern Europe. Good guys all. And never any mention of a rape.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

no. But we did have stories of the nice ethical Red-Army who were descending down into Eastern Europe. Good guys all.

They were on our side then. The mistake we made was not declaring war on Russia before they got the bomb.

Now there's a thought.