US Politics

[eaglesdare]

In absolute fairness we are still waiting on the "weapons of mass destruction" from the Iraq war. I have an open mind about it all.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Yup, you've got it.

Trump has a blind spot over Israel who have anally "taken" him.

Good for them. But I worry about the consequence for us.

Wow. That's an image I could do without.

You think Mossad have dirty picture of the Pres'?

 

[silvertop]

I am not sure that they need to have assembled a complete bomb; they just need to have reached a point where the uranium is enriched to a level where dirty bombs could be achieved by conventional means. Something I assume the US and Israel authorities believe. Iran does have ballistic missiles that would easily reach adversaries.

If they had them, they would have used them by now. But their attacks have been pathetic.

Why would they use dirty bombs on Western countries? You equate Iran with AQ. Very different entities and outlooks. They may use them in Israel - which would be abhorrent - but that is for Israel's capable security to deal with. Instead, Iran has no history of direct attack on any Western nation.

That may, of course, change now.

 

[Cucking Funt]

Trump has to topple this regime now......Every other option is worse for him, because if he leaves them in place a nuclear bomb is a certainly. The sense that Iran have been wronged by many of America's enemies means that it would happen.

Personally I'm hoping that Trump can convince the Kurds, with US airpower, to fight the regime and take over the country.....but I don't know if they have the strength.....US troops on the ground....probably to some supporting capacity.

It's a sh1t show.

That said, do the US have the munitions enough to support them long enough to overthrow them.....they gave a lot of stuff to both Ukraine and Israel.

I'm not even sure Trump has a clearly enunciated goal. If he has, he certainly hasn't revealed it. The Americans can bomb Iran to kingdom come but what emerges from the ashes? Regime change? Change to what? Another despotic puppet regime in the mould of the Pahlavi dynasty? Who would lead the country? Any successful revolution has its figurehead but I'm buggered if I know who'd take over. Or is this just another ill-thought out American adventure that leaves chaos in its wake, like Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Yup, you've got it.

Trump has a blind spot over Israel who have anally "taken" him.

Good for them. But I worry about the consequence for us.

My view is that Trump is compromised.....Maybe over Epstein or maybe something else.

The pivot from 2016 Trump to this.....is head spinning.

You might as well call Bush up and put him in charge.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I'm not even sure Trump has a clearly enunciated goal. If he has, he certainly hasn't revealed it. The Americans can bomb Iran to kingdom come but what emerges from the ashes? Regime change? Change to what? Another despotic puppet regime in the mould of the Pahlavi dynasty? Who would lead the country? Any successful revolution has its figurehead but I'm buggered if I know who'd take over. Or is this just another ill-thought out American adventure that leaves chaos in its wake, like Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq?

Yep, it's messed up.

What happened to the west.

Fecking neo cons again.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

In absolute fairness we are still waiting on the "weapons of mass destruction" from the Iraq war. I have an open mind about it all.

And I'm sure many Labourites are acutely aware of that.
The problem is...What if we did nothing and Iran really did make a nuclear missile?

America was always going to take Iran out sooner or later. It is just another square in the game of global chess. I predicted this decades ago. It wasn't difficult. The Presidents change, but the objective doesn't.

 

[silvertop]

Wow. That's an image I could do without.

You think Mossad have dirty picture of the Pres'?

Ha, actually that is a rumour doing the conspiracy rounds e.g. relating to Epstein.

I suspect his wife and children are Jewish so his non-interventionism applies with all foreign conflicts save Israel. And Likud are aware of this and are exploiting this peccadillo.

 

[silvertop]

I'm not even sure Trump has a clearly enunciated goal. If he has, he certainly hasn't revealed it. The Americans can bomb Iran to kingdom come but what emerges from the ashes? Regime change? Change to what? Another despotic puppet regime in the mould of the Pahlavi dynasty? Who would lead the country? Any successful revolution has its figurehead but I'm buggered if I know who'd take over. Or is this just another ill-thought out American adventure that leaves chaos in its wake, like Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq?

His only goal as I view it is support Israel come what may.

This looming catastrophe will be his legacy, as Iraq is with Blair.

I suspect it will not be the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

[silvertop]

And I'm sure many Labourites are acutely aware of that.
The problem is...What if we did nothing and Iran really did make a nuclear missile?

America was always going to take Iran out sooner or later. It is just another square in the game of global chess. I predicted this decades ago. It wasn't difficult. The Presidents change, but the objective doesn't.

There are very good reasons why previous presidents did not do it.

They listened to their advisers.

This one does not; and evidently did not.

I suspect the penny is finally dropping as to how bad and dangerous this president really is.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Ha, actually that is a rumour doing the conspiracy rounds e.g. relating to Epstein.

I suspect his wife and children are Jewish so his non-interventionism applies with all foreign conflicts save Israel. And Likud are aware of this and are exploiting this peccadillo.

So his missus shuts her legs if Trumpy doesn't get his big missile out? It's a theory.

Being cynical for a second, I think that most war for capitalists is ultimately about money and resources.
If your enemy gives you a reason, even if you have to exaggerate it a bit (Iraq) you can expand your influence and deal with a rogue state in one go.
Iran has pressed Americas buttons on several occasions in the past. The humiliation of captured Americans being the most obvious example. Encouraging chants of death to America didn't exactly help.

They had it coming.

 

[silvertop]

Trump has to topple this regime now......Every other option is worse for him, because if he leaves them in place a nuclear bomb is a certainly. The sense that Iran have been wronged by many of America's enemies means that it would happen.

Personally I'm hoping that Trump can convince the Kurds, with US airpower, to fight the regime and take over the country.....but I don't know if they have the strength.....US troops on the ground....probably to some supporting capacity.

It's a sh1t show.

That said, do the US have the munitions enough to support them long enough to overthrow them.....they gave a lot of stuff to both Ukraine and Israel.

They are currently targeting the Kurdish region.

One despairs.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

There are very good reasons why previous presidents did not do it.

They listened to their advisers.

This one does not; and evidently did not.

I suspect the penny is finally dropping as to how bad and dangerous this president really is.

That's one way to see it. The alternative interpretation is that Iran had reached a point in their development of nukes where the military told Trump that this was a great time to act. And it would do his domestic popularity no harm either.
Decisions aren't usually made with only one consideration.

 

[Cucking Funt]

That's one way to see it. The alternative interpretation is that Iran had reached a point in their development of nukes where the military told Trump that this was a great time to act. And it would do his domestic popularity no harm either.
Decisions aren't usually made with only one consideration.

With all the MAGA swivel-heads, doubtless, but I think that overall domestic support for this adventure isn't as solid as he seems to think.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

With all the MAGA swivel-heads, doubtless, but I think that overall domestic support for this adventure isn't as solid as he thinks.

It's pretty even I think.

 

[silvertop]

So his missus shuts her legs if Trumpy doesn't get his big missile out? It's a theory.

Being cynical for a second, I think that most war for capitalists is ultimately about money and resources.
If your enemy gives you a reason, even if you have to exaggerate it a bit (Iraq) you can expand your influence and deal with a rogue state in one go.
Iran has pressed Americas buttons on several occasions in the past. The humiliation of captured Americans being the most obvious example. Encouraging chants of death to America didn't exactly help.

They had it coming.

Oh yeah, their government are c***s. We are ad item on that. And our military have been rehearsing a war with Iran for decades. But that does not support the risks this current ill thought out campaign exposes all of us to.

Thus, why did they torpedo that ship? Their Joint Chief said how brilliant it was etc. but did not say what specific risk that ship presented. They killed all those sailors as a show of force and solidarity with Israel but with no other strategic purpose.

How does that further the interests of the rest of us?

 

[ASCPFC]

They are currently targeting the Kurdish region.

One despairs.

I have no idea but are they likely striking the parts of the Kurdish region that have been taken over by Islamic State? It's not impossible they're striking the Kurds. Just wondering.
As it's been not reported on enough that the Kurds have been under attack for some time from Syrian elements. It was reported somewhat.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Oh yeah, their government are c***s. We are ad item on that. And our military have been rehearsing a war with Iran for decades. But that does not support the risks this current ill thought out campaign exposes all of us to.

Thus, why did they torpedo that ship? Their Joint Chief said how brilliant it was etc. but did not say what specific risk that ship presented. They killed all those sailors as a show of force and solidarity with Israel but with no other strategic purpose.

How does that further the interests of the rest of us?

Well I'd imagine that that ship was armed to the teeth and looking to attack somebody. This is a war. Duh!
You have no idea what is going on out there. People are going to die. It's horrible, I'm glad it's not me, but it's happening.

Remind me. How much did you bleat about the 40k people killed by the Iranian military?

 

[silvertop]

With all the MAGA swivel-heads, doubtless, but I think that overall domestic support for this adventure isn't as solid as he seems to think.

I would be surprised. MAGA types have echoes on here; and you will see how folk on this beloved site defend the indefensible just because they like him (and anyone who says any word against him is a "lefty"). No different there.

Also, MAGA types are so thick they could set. He can literally say anything and they believe him. He can completely change his position 180 degrees from day to day and their view will adhere to that change in a manner uncomfortably reminiscent of 1984.

However, for the % of his supporters who can spell their own name and tie their own shoe laces, one reason he was voted in was on a mandate of foreign non-intervention. This is hardly that. I can see that element of his support trickling away.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I would be surprised. MAGA types have echoes on here; and you will see how folk on this beloved site defend the indefensible just because they like him (and anyone who says any word against him is a "lefty"). No different there.

Also, MAGA types are so thick they could set. He can literally say anything and they believe him. He can completely change his position 180 degrees from day to day and their view will adhere to that change in a manner uncomfortably reminiscent of 1984.

However, for the % of his supporters who can spell their own name and tie their own shoe laces, one reason he was voted in was on a mandate of foreign non-intervention. This is hardly that. I can see that element of his support trickling away.

You haven't made a single reasonable argument on this subject and yet you call others thick. You resort to stereotypes in one sentence and then talk about being called a 'lefty' in another.

I would suspect that Donald Trump couldn't do right by you if he put a million dollars in your bank account.