Parish Out

Have been chatting with some other fans about how the Oliver Glasner situation and how club is being run at the top. Namely Steve Parish as the chairman. He is paid very handsomely for this role.

I am beginning to understand more about Glasner's frustrations at trying to run the team and getting the best out of the squad this season.

I think we can all agree that he was not backed in the summer and the argument that the club had no money or had to comply with financial regulation was shattered with the January transfer splurge.

How many of the signings in the last two years have been a success? How effective is new sporting director Matt Hobbs at acquiring talent for good deals? Brennan Johnson (from Tottenham) and Jorgen Strand Larsen (from Wolves) for a combined total: £83m. Remember the way they treated Dwight McNeil and his transfer that was withdrawn at the last second...

I believe that on occasions the team missed their flights back to London due to incompetency by the club. This had a knock-on effect on the following day's team planning and training for the next league fixtures.

On the eve of travelling to Sunderland, after a week of tactical planning with star player and captain Marc Guehi and the team, he was removed from the squad.

The club doctor was allowed to leave earlier in the season and also the head analyst both to rival Premier League clubs. Isn't your best talent supposed to be kept and tied on long deals? And maybe not left to depart in the middle of a season?


There are many other stories... Time after time the board has not been supportive of the manager at best and downright incompetent at worst. I believe the chairman's responsibility is giving the manager the tools he needs in order to maximise his talents.

It's common knowledge that club staff, right down to the stewards are paid badly and treated shoddily. I thought this culture had changed at the club.

Planning approval for the Main Stand was granted in April 2018 and nobody knows when the stand will be built and ready.

The second phase of the Academy build was scheduled for Spring 2023 and it's still not complete. Still no first-team ready players have been produced.

It appears the club is a shambles from top to bottom. From Steve Parish not wanting a FA Cup trophy parade (the council was to blame) and one being organised last minute and the club messing up FA Cup winning merchandise.

Right to the club not addressing the UEFA compliance issue over multi-club ownership and missed the March 1 deadline. The email address was to blame!

I await the Parish fanboys "he saved the club, blah de blah" coming out in force. But the above is all public knowledge and I am slightly concerned with the downward direction of the club. The buck stops at the top and there needs to be some accountability.
Bloody hell you really are a SP hater.

Some of your criticism is ridiculous.

MG's transfer disrupted planning for Sunderland - every manager has to accept these things happen, no different form a late withdrawal due to illness or injury. Happy for a manager to point this out, but to whinge as if it never happens is pathetic.

I'll give you an example under Roy. Was it West Ham a couple of years ago when a player (maybe Hughes) got ill an hour or so before the kick off and Richards, a CB, was played in midfield. Roy just got on with it.

As for doctors and analysts leaving. Do you know what employment law is? Non football staff can resign if they are offered a new job. No different from you or me. The only thing you can put in someone's contract is a period of gardening leave, for which you have to pay them .
 
Bloody hell you really are a SP hater.

Some of your criticism is ridiculous.

MG's transfer disrupted planning for Sunderland - every manager has to accept these things happen, no different form a late withdrawal due to illness or injury. Happy for a manager to point this out, but to whinge as if it never happens is pathetic.

I'll give you an example under Roy. Was it West Ham a couple of years ago when a player (maybe Hughes) got ill an hour or so before the kick off and Richards, a CB, was played in midfield. Roy just got on with it.

As for doctors and analysts leaving. Do you know what employment law is? Non football staff can resign if they are offered a new job. No different from you or me. The only thing you can put in someone's contract is a period of gardening leave, for which you have to pay them .

This is all whataboutery.

I am aware of employment law. My point about treating staff well so they don't want to leave still stands.

As do my other points which you have failed to address.
 
Have been chatting with some other fans about how the Oliver Glasner situation and how club is being run at the top. Namely Steve Parish as the chairman. He is paid very handsomely for this role.

I am beginning to understand more about Glasner's frustrations at trying to run the team and getting the best out of the squad this season.

I think we can all agree that he was not backed in the summer and the argument that the club had no money or had to comply with financial regulation was shattered with the January transfer splurge.

How many of the signings in the last two years have been a success? How effective is new sporting director Matt Hobbs at acquiring talent for good deals? Brennan Johnson (from Tottenham) and Jorgen Strand Larsen (from Wolves) for a combined total: £83m. Remember the way they treated Dwight McNeil and his transfer that was withdrawn at the last second...

I believe that on occasions the team missed their flights back to London due to incompetency by the club. This had a knock-on effect on the following day's team planning and training for the next league fixtures.

On the eve of travelling to Sunderland, after a week of tactical planning with star player and captain Marc Guehi and the team, he was removed from the squad.

The club doctor was allowed to leave earlier in the season and also the head analyst both to rival Premier League clubs. Isn't your best talent supposed to be kept and tied on long deals? And maybe not left to depart in the middle of a season?

There are many other stories... Time after time the board has not been supportive of the manager at best and downright incompetent at worst. I believe the chairman's responsibility is giving the manager the tools he needs in order to maximise his talents.

It's common knowledge that club staff, right down to the stewards are paid badly and treated shoddily. I thought this culture had changed at the club.

Planning approval for the Main Stand was granted in April 2018 and nobody knows when the stand will be built and ready.

The second phase of the Academy build was scheduled for Spring 2023 and it's still not complete. Still no first-team ready players have been produced.

It appears the club is a shambles from top to bottom. From Steve Parish not wanting a FA Cup trophy parade (the council was to blame) and one being organised last minute and the club messing up FA Cup winning merchandise.

Right to the club not addressing the UEFA compliance issue over multi-club ownership and missed the March 1 deadline. The email address was to blame!

I await the Parish fanboys "he saved the club, blah de blah" coming out in force. But the above is all public knowledge and I am slightly concerned with the downward direction of the club. The buck stops at the top and there needs to be some accountability.
That is a very interesting post Penge.
There is clearly some concern if this is all true. Any idea what really happened with Dougie?
 
This is the trouble... Palace fans have endured mediocrity since forever, are used to it and are pretty unfazed when it continues. Many will be delighted to just be listed in the Premier League. I'm not one of those. I expect high standards and good decision making from board members at what is now one of the biggest football clubs in the world.
I am curious, how do YOU measure good decisions?
The biggest problem we have as fans, is we do not have a fraction of the facts or any of the knowledge how to run a football club.
We base opinions on our own perceived successes on and off the pitch and our standing compared to our peers. So with this in mind what you or I may consider a good or bad decision is just our own opinion with nothing tangible to go on.
(unless like some posters who claim to have inside knowledge!)
 
Have been chatting with some other fans about how the Oliver Glasner situation and how club is being run at the top. Namely Steve Parish as the chairman. He is paid very handsomely for this role.

I am beginning to understand more about Glasner's frustrations at trying to run the team and getting the best out of the squad this season.

I think we can all agree that he was not backed in the summer and the argument that the club had no money or had to comply with financial regulation was shattered with the January transfer splurge.

How many of the signings in the last two years have been a success? How effective is new sporting director Matt Hobbs at acquiring talent for good deals? Brennan Johnson (from Tottenham) and Jorgen Strand Larsen (from Wolves) for a combined total: £83m. Remember the way they treated Dwight McNeil and his transfer that was withdrawn at the last second...

I believe that on occasions the team missed their flights back to London due to incompetency by the club. This had a knock-on effect on the following day's team planning and training for the next league fixtures.

On the eve of travelling to Sunderland, after a week of tactical planning with star player and captain Marc Guehi and the team, he was removed from the squad.

The club doctor was allowed to leave earlier in the season and also the head analyst both to rival Premier League clubs. Isn't your best talent supposed to be kept and tied on long deals? And maybe not left to depart in the middle of a season?

There are many other stories... Time after time the board has not been supportive of the manager at best and downright incompetent at worst. I believe the chairman's responsibility is giving the manager the tools he needs in order to maximise his talents.

It's common knowledge that club staff, right down to the stewards are paid badly and treated shoddily. I thought this culture had changed at the club.

Planning approval for the Main Stand was granted in April 2018 and nobody knows when the stand will be built and ready.

The second phase of the Academy build was scheduled for Spring 2023 and it's still not complete. Still no first-team ready players have been produced.

It appears the club is a shambles from top to bottom. From Steve Parish not wanting a FA Cup trophy parade (the council was to blame) and one being organised last minute and the club messing up FA Cup winning merchandise.

Right to the club not addressing the UEFA compliance issue over multi-club ownership and missed the March 1 deadline. The email address was to blame!

I await the Parish fanboys "he saved the club, blah de blah" coming out in force. But the above is all public knowledge and I am slightly concerned with the downward direction of the club. The buck stops at the top and there needs to be some accountability.
I do agree - in the wash up at the EOS questions need to be asked of the club at board level in reflection

“ missed Opportunities “ & “ inept Board” - knowing Parish he will brush this off - But if he was being honest he needs to put his hand up & say this season was to be the major leap forward , the milestone that was needed.But the Board was caught being incompetent to Plan for growth.

Yet good players left, yes that’s life, But to not plan for replacements or to build on also surely sits with Hobbs & Parish - but who holds them accountable ?
The Supporters ! And so we should be allowed to voice our opinions

But Parish I’m happy to be proven wrong & we win the Euro Cup & finish 8th
 
Have been chatting with some other fans about how the Oliver Glasner situation and how club is being run at the top. Namely Steve Parish as the chairman. He is paid very handsomely for this role.

I am beginning to understand more about Glasner's frustrations at trying to run the team and getting the best out of the squad this season.

I think we can all agree that he was not backed in the summer and the argument that the club had no money or had to comply with financial regulation was shattered with the January transfer splurge.

How many of the signings in the last two years have been a success? How effective is new sporting director Matt Hobbs at acquiring talent for good deals? Brennan Johnson (from Tottenham) and Jorgen Strand Larsen (from Wolves) for a combined total: £83m. Remember the way they treated Dwight McNeil and his transfer that was withdrawn at the last second...

I believe that on occasions the team missed their flights back to London due to incompetency by the club. This had a knock-on effect on the following day's team planning and training for the next league fixtures.

On the eve of travelling to Sunderland, after a week of tactical planning with star player and captain Marc Guehi and the team, he was removed from the squad.

The club doctor was allowed to leave earlier in the season and also the head analyst both to rival Premier League clubs. Isn't your best talent supposed to be kept and tied on long deals? And maybe not left to depart in the middle of a season?

There are many other stories... Time after time the board has not been supportive of the manager at best and downright incompetent at worst. I believe the chairman's responsibility is giving the manager the tools he needs in order to maximise his talents.

It's common knowledge that club staff, right down to the stewards are paid badly and treated shoddily. I thought this culture had changed at the club.

Planning approval for the Main Stand was granted in April 2018 and nobody knows when the stand will be built and ready.

The second phase of the Academy build was scheduled for Spring 2023 and it's still not complete. Still no first-team ready players have been produced.

It appears the club is a shambles from top to bottom. From Steve Parish not wanting a FA Cup trophy parade (the council was to blame) and one being organised last minute and the club messing up FA Cup winning merchandise.

Right to the club not addressing the UEFA compliance issue over multi-club ownership and missed the March 1 deadline. The email address was to blame!

I await the Parish fanboys "he saved the club, blah de blah" coming out in force. But the above is all public knowledge and I am slightly concerned with the downward direction of the club. The buck stops at the top and there needs to be some accountability.
You appear to wallow in negativity in what is our most successful period ever. What's Parish's salary got to do with anything, it's not relative.
Palace aren't historically a big club, we are of similar stature as Norwich, Coventry, Southampton etc. For years we were a yo-yo club between the leagues, now we have become an established Premier club, it's not good enough for some, who still feel the need to criticise.
Nobody is perfect, just some are more successful than others, which leads to jealousy.
 
I do agree - in the wash up at the EOS questions need to be asked of the club at board level in reflection

“ missed Opportunities “ & “ inept Board” - knowing Parish he will brush this off - But if he was being honest he needs to put his hand up & say this season was to be the major leap forward , the milestone that was needed.But the Board was caught being incompetent to Plan for growth.

Yet good players left, yes that’s life, But to not plan for replacements or to build on also surely sits with Hobbs & Parish - but who holds them accountable ?
The Supporters ! And so we should be allowed to voice our opinions

But Parish I’m happy to be proven wrong & we win the Euro Cup & finish 8th

He will of course, but should also be offended and disappointed, and rightly so. But he'll also know that most fans have a double digit IQ. He's delivered 2 trophies, our first ever European entry we are relatively safe in the league and still people call him inept. We are still in Europe and could still win the bleeding thing.

It blows my mind how entitled and ungrateful our fan base have become.

Broadly speaking, players were replaced, or we had replacements in the building. Are they going to be exactly of the standard of a 70m Eze, or Englands best center back? Of course not, why would you expect them to be? Who on earth do you think we were going to get in to fill those boots immediately?
But are the replacements better, than the MG and EE we signed? Well I'm sure the haters will debate that too, but in Pino and Riad we signed 2 full internationals. (Of course debatable) but you could argue that they are miles and miles ahead of the MG and EE we signed.

And on that note, we could go through the whole squad. Is JSL better than the Mateta we signed etc etc. Pretty much every player we sign now is a full international.
 
This is all whataboutery.

I am aware of employment law. My point about treating staff well so they don't want to leave still stands.

As do my other points which you have failed to address.
Ok I'll have a go at that.

Have been chatting with some other fans about how the Oliver Glasner situation and how club is being run at the top. Namely Steve Parish as the chairman. He is paid very handsomely for this role.
According to what I can find he makes about £2.2 - £2.5 million a year. Obviously a lot of money, but this has to be relative to that role at other clubs right? So from what I can see, this is about average. Some take more, think Tottenham paid Levy £3.5 ish and similar for Chelsea and Man Utd and some pay less, some even take no salary, but those clubs then tend to have someone running the club as well as a chairman, which is what Parish does. So from what I can tell, he's about average salary for the size of our club, but that is "from what I can tell" so might not be accurate.


I am beginning to understand more about Glasner's frustrations at trying to run the team and getting the best out of the squad this season.

I think we can all agree that he was not backed in the summer and the argument that the club had no money or had to comply with financial regulation was shattered with the January transfer splurge.

Yes and no I would argue. In the summer we didn't actually have the money from the Eze sale until the end of the window did we? I don't know how the accounts work for a football club and transfers (do any of us?) but would we have been outside of the rules bringing players in before then, hence the wait till January? I don't know, it's all very confusing when I've looked into it, as it's over three years for a start and then it all gets changed for next season for more stricter rules. I did wonder if the January spurge was to get signings in before the rules changed?

I did figure out with the help of ChatGPT (so could be bollocks) that after signing Johnson we had £35 mill left over before breaching the rules, so that's most of Strand Larsen covered with the Guehi transfer covering the rest. But to be honest, f*** know how this all works. I would have liked to have seen more transfers in the summer though, think Parish got a bit too obsessed with the whole Europe appeal.

How many of the signings in the last two years have been a success? How effective is new sporting director Matt Hobbs at acquiring talent for good deals?

Remains to be seen? Kamada turned out all right in the end, Guessand is looking useful and Canvot looks like he could be good. Jury's out on Pino and Uche though... Not seen enough from Johnson or Strand Larsen to say to be honest. So fair to judge yet?

Brennan Johnson (from Tottenham) and Jorgen Strand Larsen (from Wolves) for a combined total: £83m. Remember the way they treated Dwight McNeil and his transfer that was withdrawn at the last second...

Oh come on, Dwight McNeil? Last minute transfer that didn't go through, happens all the time. If his missus hadn't thrown a fit then no-one would be talking about it and we probably would have looked to bring him in come the summer. The way his missus went on was like she was packed and ready for months with everything in boxes, entitled beyond belief!

I believe that on occasions the team missed their flights back to London due to incompetency by the club. This had a knock-on effect on the following day's team planning and training for the next league fixtures.

There was an occasion when the plane was buggered coming back from Dublin, but I think this was a technical fault with the plane rather than incompetency by the club? Was there another incident? Oliver Glasner press conference: Crystal Palace v Manchester City

On the eve of travelling to Sunderland, after a week of tactical planning with star player and captain Marc Guehi and the team, he was removed from the squad.

Now this is bollocks. As someone else mentioned, players pull out of games all the time through injury, personal circumstance, illness, injured in the first five mintes of the game, happens all the time in all levels of the football pyramid (although Sunday league it's more hangovers to blame). If an elite manger can't cope with this and his entire game plan is focused on one player, which without with the entire thing unravels like a house of cards, then I'd say that's on the manager and bad tactical planning.
You have to have contingency plans. Guehi wanted to go, this is the crux of it, he could have said like Semenyo did at Bournemouth "I'll go after the game" but he didn't want to, Man City probably didn't want him to play and as a club who were going to lose him for nothing in a few months, it makes no sense to risk £20 million on a game that we should compete in with or without him. I'm sure the much reported row that Guehi had with Glasner at half time at Macclesfield the game before had absolutely nothing to do with his decision.

The club doctor was allowed to leave earlier in the season and also the head analyst both to rival Premier League clubs. Isn't your best talent supposed to be kept and tied on long deals? And maybe not left to depart in the middle of a season?

Eh? They're not slaves! If an employee wants to leave there's bugger all you can do about it. What's a long deal for club doctor or head analyst? Any employment contract has a notice period and resignation statement in it and you can't fine people for leaving. Footballers work in a completely different set of rules to everyone else as it's all tied to registration with a club and all sorts. Doctors and analyst's arent' registered with FIFA or the league or anything, there just employee's. You can offer anyone a massive salary, but if they want to go to a bigger "company" then you can't stop them. Not sure what you're expecting here?

There are many other stories... Time after time the board has not been supportive of the manager at best and downright incompetent at worst. I believe the chairman's responsibility is giving the manager the tools he needs in order to maximise his talents.

What Glasner wanted was not possible from this club. That's the bottom line. You can't make players stay, Eze wanted to leave in the summer for a bigger club, we didn't push him out. Guehi told the club that he wasn't going to sign a new contract, he wanted to leave the club. Mateta is a prick. What Glasner wanted was ready made, exact copies of those players in when they left. Money aside, if we can't get those players to stay because they have aspirations of playing for a "bigger" club then we can't carbon copy them in. We don't have the money, clout or reputation... yet. I think the club could have done more in the summer with signings, but they wouldn't have been those players. They would have been Canvot's, Riad's, Esse's as that is our model. Frankly I'm amazed at what we did in January transfer wise.

It's common knowledge that club staff, right down to the stewards are paid badly and treated shoddily. I thought this culture had changed at the club.

Is it? I don't know anyone working for the club, but I also can't find anything saying that. Seems not too bad on Indeed: https://uk.indeed.com/cmp/Crystal-Palace-Football-Club/reviews

Planning approval for the Main Stand was granted in April 2018 and nobody knows when the stand will be built and ready.

Think that topic has been done to death. I think the point is that it is happening, although it's taking an absolute age.

The second phase of the Academy build was scheduled for Spring 2023 and it's still not complete. Still no first-team ready players have been produced.

I would like to see more players coming through the Academy. We've had a lot of almost rans and it would be good to see more coming though. What do you mean by phase 2? What wasn't done by Spring 2023?

It appears the club is a shambles from top to bottom. From Steve Parish not wanting a FA Cup trophy parade (the council was to blame) and one being organised last minute and the club messing up FA Cup winning merchandise.

Now that is bollocks. There was confusion about the route as there was talk about going from Crystal Palace park, but saying he didn't want one just isn't true. Surely the route is down to the council what with road closures and everything? Agree on the merchandise though, waited f***ing months for my stuff!

Right to the club not addressing the UEFA compliance issue over multi-club ownership and missed the March 1 deadline. The email address was to blame!

Yeah we could have been better prepared for that, but I don't think anyone expected us to be winning the FA Cup when the deadline passed. I don't think Textor would have allowed it anyway, remember he was trying to sell his stake at the time and if he had put his shares into a blind trust, he would have lost control of them (temporarily) and wouldn't have been able to sell them. If the email was missed then that is crap and not acceptable.

I await the Parish fanboys "he saved the club, blah de blah" coming out in force. But the above is all public knowledge and I am slightly concerned with the downward direction of the club. The buck stops at the top and there needs to be some accountability.

But it's not though is it? It's mostly conjecture, opinion or tbh incorrect.

The last couple of months have been a bit of a mare and we've all had the stuffing and energy knocked out of us. Beginning of the season I would have paid anything to keep Glasner and backed him however he wanted. But what he wanted was unachievable for a club or size and now I want him gone as the feeling of a downward direction does, in my opinion, come a lot from his negativity, saying stuff he should have kept to himself and just the way we've been playing (which would have got anyone else the sack).

We can look at this season in two ways, one we've flirted with relegation, got knocked out of the FA Cup to Macclesfied of all clubs, lost key players and not covered ourselves in glory with the way we've played in Europe, along with putting up with a petulant manager who seems to like throwing his toys and slagging us off at any minute.

Or.

We can say we're 10 points clear of relegation, 3 points off 8th place, made it to the quarter finals of the Carabao Cup (only going out on penalties) and we're in the last 16 of the Europe Conference as favourites to win. All of this despite losing some key players and with a manager that hasn't been as committed as we would like.

Could the board and Parish done more? Yeah probably, but do I want them gone? nah because at the end of the day, they can't s*** a miracle can they?
 
Ok I'll have a go at that.


According to what I can find he makes about £2.2 - £2.5 million a year. Obviously a lot of money, but this has to be relative to that role at other clubs right? So from what I can see, this is about average. Some take more, think Tottenham paid Levy £3.5 ish and similar for Chelsea and Man Utd and some pay less, some even take no salary, but those clubs then tend to have someone running the club as well as a chairman, which is what Parish does. So from what I can tell, he's about average salary for the size of our club, but that is "from what I can tell" so might not be accurate.




Yes and no I would argue. In the summer we didn't actually have the money from the Eze sale until the end of the window did we? I don't know how the accounts work for a football club and transfers (do any of us?) but would we have been outside of the rules bringing players in before then, hence the wait till January? I don't know, it's all very confusing when I've looked into it, as it's over three years for a start and then it all gets changed for next season for more stricter rules. I did wonder if the January spurge was to get signings in before the rules changed?

I did figure out with the help of ChatGPT (so could be bollocks) that after signing Johnson we had £35 mill left over before breaching the rules, so that's most of Strand Larsen covered with the Guehi transfer covering the rest. But to be honest, f*** know how this all works. I would have liked to have seen more transfers in the summer though, think Parish got a bit too obsessed with the whole Europe appeal.



Remains to be seen? Kamada turned out all right in the end, Guessand is looking useful and Canvot looks like he could be good. Jury's out on Pino and Uche though... Not seen enough from Johnson or Strand Larsen to say to be honest. So fair to judge yet?



Oh come on, Dwight McNeil? Last minute transfer that didn't go through, happens all the time. If his missus hadn't thrown a fit then no-one would be talking about it and we probably would have looked to bring him in come the summer. The way his missus went on was like she was packed and ready for months with everything in boxes, entitled beyond belief!



There was an occasion when the plane was buggered coming back from Dublin, but I think this was a technical fault with the plane rather than incompetency by the club? Was there another incident? Oliver Glasner press conference: Crystal Palace v Manchester City



Now this is bollocks. As someone else mentioned, players pull out of games all the time through injury, personal circumstance, illness, injured in the first five mintes of the game, happens all the time in all levels of the football pyramid (although Sunday league it's more hangovers to blame). If an elite manger can't cope with this and his entire game plan is focused on one player, which without with the entire thing unravels like a house of cards, then I'd say that's on the manager and bad tactical planning.
You have to have contingency plans. Guehi wanted to go, this is the crux of it, he could have said like Semenyo did at Bournemouth "I'll go after the game" but he didn't want to, Man City probably didn't want him to play and as a club who were going to lose him for nothing in a few months, it makes no sense to risk £20 million on a game that we should compete in with or without him. I'm sure the much reported row that Guehi had with Glasner at half time at Macclesfield the game before had absolutely nothing to do with his decision.



Eh? They're not slaves! If an employee wants to leave there's bugger all you can do about it. What's a long deal for club doctor or head analyst? Any employment contract has a notice period and resignation statement in it and you can't fine people for leaving. Footballers work in a completely different set of rules to everyone else as it's all tied to registration with a club and all sorts. Doctors and analyst's arent' registered with FIFA or the league or anything, there just employee's. You can offer anyone a massive salary, but if they want to go to a bigger "company" then you can't stop them. Not sure what you're expecting here?



What Glasner wanted was not possible from this club. That's the bottom line. You can't make players stay, Eze wanted to leave in the summer for a bigger club, we didn't push him out. Guehi told the club that he wasn't going to sign a new contract, he wanted to leave the club. Mateta is a prick. What Glasner wanted was ready made, exact copies of those players in when they left. Money aside, if we can't get those players to stay because they have aspirations of playing for a "bigger" club then we can't carbon copy them in. We don't have the money, clout or reputation... yet. I think the club could have done more in the summer with signings, but they wouldn't have been those players. They would have been Canvot's, Riad's, Esse's as that is our model. Frankly I'm amazed at what we did in January transfer wise.



Is it? I don't know anyone working for the club, but I also can't find anything saying that. Seems not too bad on Indeed: https://uk.indeed.com/cmp/Crystal-Palace-Football-Club/reviews



Think that topic has been done to death. I think the point is that it is happening, although it's taking an absolute age.



I would like to see more players coming through the Academy. We've had a lot of almost rans and it would be good to see more coming though. What do you mean by phase 2? What wasn't done by Spring 2023?



Now that is bollocks. There was confusion about the route as there was talk about going from Crystal Palace park, but saying he didn't want one just isn't true. Surely the route is down to the council what with road closures and everything? Agree on the merchandise though, waited f***ing months for my stuff!



Yeah we could have been better prepared for that, but I don't think anyone expected us to be winning the FA Cup when the deadline passed. I don't think Textor would have allowed it anyway, remember he was trying to sell his stake at the time and if he had put his shares into a blind trust, he would have lost control of them (temporarily) and wouldn't have been able to sell them. If the email was missed then that is crap and not acceptable.



But it's not though is it? It's mostly conjecture, opinion or tbh incorrect.

The last couple of months have been a bit of a mare and we've all had the stuffing and energy knocked out of us. Beginning of the season I would have paid anything to keep Glasner and backed him however he wanted. But what he wanted was unachievable for a club or size and now I want him gone as the feeling of a downward direction does, in my opinion, come a lot from his negativity, saying stuff he should have kept to himself and just the way we've been playing (which would have got anyone else the sack).

We can look at this season in two ways, one we've flirted with relegation, got knocked out of the FA Cup to Macclesfied of all clubs, lost key players and not covered ourselves in glory with the way we've played in Europe, along with putting up with a petulant manager who seems to like throwing his toys and slagging us off at any minute.

Or.

We can say we're 10 points clear of relegation, 3 points off 8th place, made it to the quarter finals of the Carabao Cup (only going out on penalties) and we're in the last 16 of the Europe Conference as favourites to win. All of this despite losing some key players and with a manager that hasn't been as committed as we would like.

Could the board and Parish done more? Yeah probably, but do I want them gone? nah because at the end of the day, they can't s*** a miracle can they?

I appreciate the well considered reply. However, my argument is that although you can easily disregard each thing as "could be normal" (including the major UEFA f***-up), the complaint is the pattern. Summer leaves holes, January fixes too late at a premium; key staff churn; repeated basic logistics issues; long project delays; academy promise not delivered. One-off excuses don't beat the same story. (Barring the construction stuff), the end result is pissing off our greatest ever manger so much that much he decides to quit.
 
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I appreciate the well considered reply. However, my argument is that although you can easily disregard each thing as "could be normal" (including the major UEFA f***-up), the complaint is the pattern. Summer leaves holes, January fixes too late at a premium; key staff churn; repeated basic logistics issues; long project delays; academy promise not delivered. One-off excuses don't beat the same story. (Barring the construction stuff), the end result is pissing off our greatest ever manger so much that much he decides to quit.

To be fair he's not the only chairman to have pissed off Glasner. Running at a 100% record so far
 
Ok I'll have a go at that.


According to what I can find he makes about £2.2 - £2.5 million a year. Obviously a lot of money, but this has to be relative to that role at other clubs right? So from what I can see, this is about average. Some take more, think Tottenham paid Levy £3.5 ish and similar for Chelsea and Man Utd and some pay less, some even take no salary, but those clubs then tend to have someone running the club as well as a chairman, which is what Parish does. So from what I can tell, he's about average salary for the size of our club, but that is "from what I can tell" so might not be accurate.




Yes and no I would argue. In the summer we didn't actually have the money from the Eze sale until the end of the window did we? I don't know how the accounts work for a football club and transfers (do any of us?) but would we have been outside of the rules bringing players in before then, hence the wait till January? I don't know, it's all very confusing when I've looked into it, as it's over three years for a start and then it all gets changed for next season for more stricter rules. I did wonder if the January spurge was to get signings in before the rules changed?

I did figure out with the help of ChatGPT (so could be bollocks) that after signing Johnson we had £35 mill left over before breaching the rules, so that's most of Strand Larsen covered with the Guehi transfer covering the rest. But to be honest, f*** know how this all works. I would have liked to have seen more transfers in the summer though, think Parish got a bit too obsessed with the whole Europe appeal.



Remains to be seen? Kamada turned out all right in the end, Guessand is looking useful and Canvot looks like he could be good. Jury's out on Pino and Uche though... Not seen enough from Johnson or Strand Larsen to say to be honest. So fair to judge yet?



Oh come on, Dwight McNeil? Last minute transfer that didn't go through, happens all the time. If his missus hadn't thrown a fit then no-one would be talking about it and we probably would have looked to bring him in come the summer. The way his missus went on was like she was packed and ready for months with everything in boxes, entitled beyond belief!



There was an occasion when the plane was buggered coming back from Dublin, but I think this was a technical fault with the plane rather than incompetency by the club? Was there another incident? Oliver Glasner press conference: Crystal Palace v Manchester City



Now this is bollocks. As someone else mentioned, players pull out of games all the time through injury, personal circumstance, illness, injured in the first five mintes of the game, happens all the time in all levels of the football pyramid (although Sunday league it's more hangovers to blame). If an elite manger can't cope with this and his entire game plan is focused on one player, which without with the entire thing unravels like a house of cards, then I'd say that's on the manager and bad tactical planning.
You have to have contingency plans. Guehi wanted to go, this is the crux of it, he could have said like Semenyo did at Bournemouth "I'll go after the game" but he didn't want to, Man City probably didn't want him to play and as a club who were going to lose him for nothing in a few months, it makes no sense to risk £20 million on a game that we should compete in with or without him. I'm sure the much reported row that Guehi had with Glasner at half time at Macclesfield the game before had absolutely nothing to do with his decision.



Eh? They're not slaves! If an employee wants to leave there's bugger all you can do about it. What's a long deal for club doctor or head analyst? Any employment contract has a notice period and resignation statement in it and you can't fine people for leaving. Footballers work in a completely different set of rules to everyone else as it's all tied to registration with a club and all sorts. Doctors and analyst's arent' registered with FIFA or the league or anything, there just employee's. You can offer anyone a massive salary, but if they want to go to a bigger "company" then you can't stop them. Not sure what you're expecting here?



What Glasner wanted was not possible from this club. That's the bottom line. You can't make players stay, Eze wanted to leave in the summer for a bigger club, we didn't push him out. Guehi told the club that he wasn't going to sign a new contract, he wanted to leave the club. Mateta is a prick. What Glasner wanted was ready made, exact copies of those players in when they left. Money aside, if we can't get those players to stay because they have aspirations of playing for a "bigger" club then we can't carbon copy them in. We don't have the money, clout or reputation... yet. I think the club could have done more in the summer with signings, but they wouldn't have been those players. They would have been Canvot's, Riad's, Esse's as that is our model. Frankly I'm amazed at what we did in January transfer wise.



Is it? I don't know anyone working for the club, but I also can't find anything saying that. Seems not too bad on Indeed: https://uk.indeed.com/cmp/Crystal-Palace-Football-Club/reviews



Think that topic has been done to death. I think the point is that it is happening, although it's taking an absolute age.



I would like to see more players coming through the Academy. We've had a lot of almost rans and it would be good to see more coming though. What do you mean by phase 2? What wasn't done by Spring 2023?



Now that is bollocks. There was confusion about the route as there was talk about going from Crystal Palace park, but saying he didn't want one just isn't true. Surely the route is down to the council what with road closures and everything? Agree on the merchandise though, waited f***ing months for my stuff!



Yeah we could have been better prepared for that, but I don't think anyone expected us to be winning the FA Cup when the deadline passed. I don't think Textor would have allowed it anyway, remember he was trying to sell his stake at the time and if he had put his shares into a blind trust, he would have lost control of them (temporarily) and wouldn't have been able to sell them. If the email was missed then that is crap and not acceptable.



But it's not though is it? It's mostly conjecture, opinion or tbh incorrect.

The last couple of months have been a bit of a mare and we've all had the stuffing and energy knocked out of us. Beginning of the season I would have paid anything to keep Glasner and backed him however he wanted. But what he wanted was unachievable for a club or size and now I want him gone as the feeling of a downward direction does, in my opinion, come a lot from his negativity, saying stuff he should have kept to himself and just the way we've been playing (which would have got anyone else the sack).

We can look at this season in two ways, one we've flirted with relegation, got knocked out of the FA Cup to Macclesfied of all clubs, lost key players and not covered ourselves in glory with the way we've played in Europe, along with putting up with a petulant manager who seems to like throwing his toys and slagging us off at any minute.

Or.

We can say we're 10 points clear of relegation, 3 points off 8th place, made it to the quarter finals of the Carabao Cup (only going out on penalties) and we're in the last 16 of the Europe Conference as favourites to win. All of this despite losing some key players and with a manager that hasn't been as committed as we would like.

Could the board and Parish done more? Yeah probably, but do I want them gone? nah because at the end of the day, they can't s*** a miracle can they?
Well said. I don’t consider myself a “Parish fanboy” but even if you accept some of the points Penge makes, they can’t all be laid at Parish’s door. Many of these are board decisions and he is one minority shareholder. As chairman he deserves credit for our 11 years in this league, the appointment of Glasner, and our FA cup win. If I was to be critical of him in any respect it would be over the lack of communication with fans which leads to conjecture and rumours rather than facts and also to the fractured relationship with the HF (of which I’m not a member).
More openness and maybe having a fan rep on the board would be helpful…. If we can find one who doesn’t have polarised views on subjects like Parish and Glasner!
 
I appreciate the well considered reply. However, my argument is that although you can easily disregard each thing as "could be normal" (including the major UEFA f***-up), the complaint is the pattern. Summer leaves holes, January fixes too late at a premium; key staff churn; repeated basic logistics issues; long project delays; academy promise not delivered. One-off excuses don't beat the same story. (Barring the construction stuff), the end result is pissing off our greatest ever manger so much that much he decides to quit.
He’s not our greatest ever manager (Steve Coppell) he’s just a very naughty boy!
 

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