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[CPFCSaturn]

I am not sure that you understand the hypocrisy of the situation...Emma Thompson catching a flight from the US to London to support an Extinction Rebellion event smacks of a privileged hypocrisy...you small people can restrict your activities but I can continue to have the freedom. That's what pi55es off the general public. And what if Barry wants to fly to Turkey twice a year, or three times a year...at what point do we stop Barry from his excesses?
Private jets? I agree, far too many freedoms there.

I think the hypocrisy you talk of is entirely imagined - the part in bold is a not an argument made by anyone.

 

[Common Sense Club]

I think the hypocrisy you talk of is entirely imagined - the part in bold is a not an argument made by anyone.

If you don't see the message you are not looking carefully enough. It may not be a direct instruction but it is an implied one designed to change the general public's mindset...whilst they witness others ignoring them.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I haven't talked about 'stopping drug use' - that's obviously not a realistic outcome, but some sort of reduction is - you seem to be suggesting that our current expensive policy, of which you are yet to provide a single achievement, is working perfectly fine - I don't really understand the basis for that claim.

Weed is effectively decriminalised - you could smoke a joint in front of a police officer and nothing would happen - I smell it every single day in London.
You could get hold of a bag of weed in a matter of minutes in every town centre in the country. Same also true of many other 'party' drugs like cocaine and MDMA.

I don't think I agree with making all drugs legal, no.

That might explain some of your posts.😆

 

[CPFCSaturn]

That might explain some of your posts.😆

You should try it - might calm you down a bit 🙂

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

You should try it - might calm you down a bit 🙂

15 all...

 

[Spiderman]

Do you think our current drug policies are working well? How much have we spent on the 'war on drugs' over the last couple of decades, and what progress do we have to show for that investment?

It is working better than this would. Do you honestly believe legalising crack cocaine and Heroin is a better policy? As for dealing/ negotiating with the drug cartels! WTAF just look at Mexico today.
What do you consider working well? No policy will eliminate the illegal drugs trade. You tell me what progress we have made, far more drugs are located at ports than the public are made aware of

 

[CPFCSaturn]

It is working better than this would. Do you honestly believe legalising crack cocaine and Heroin is a better policy? As for dealing/ negotiating with the drug cartels! WTAF just look at Mexico today.
What do you consider working well? No policy will eliminate the illegal drugs trade. You tell me what progress we have made, far more drugs are located at ports than the public are made aware of

By what metric is it working at all?

A successful policy in this area would achieve things like:

- Less drug-related deaths/overdoses
- Lower transmission of HIV and other diseases from injections
- Less drug-related criminality

Our policy has not achieved anything like that.

 

[beak]

My reason for retaining the status quo is very simple to declare drugs legal would offer public permission to take them and the message must be no do not take them they damage your health irreparably.

 

[ASCPFC]

I would legalise low level drugs to be fair. I would suggest research into countries that have had limited legalisation. But I don't agree with full legalisation. I think a line has to be drawn against the most addictive drugs.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

My reason for retaining the status quo is very simple to declare drugs legal would offer public permission to take them and the message must be no do not take them they damage your health irreparably.

So far, decriminalisation, and to a lesser extent legalisation of drugs, has never lead to the sort of explosion in usage that is often predicted in these debates.

People who want to use drugs already have access to them under the current status quo.

There's lots of things which damage our health which are not outlawed by the state - that's a slippery slope to go down.

 

[beak]

So far, decriminalisation, and to a lesser extent legalisation of drugs, has never lead to the sort of explosion in usage that is often predicted in these debates.

People who want to use drugs already have access to them under the current status quo.

There's lots of things which damage our health which are not outlawed by the state - that's a slippery slope to go down.

Paragraph one I do know that and carefully avoided any reference to an explosion in usage my concern is the thought that society and or a government would allow legal drug usage. Paragraph two yes I understand that. A slippery slope that we should choose to slide down, I would like more government intervention on food labeling,cigarettes and anything else that has hidden dangers. This is rather akin to parenting I explain to my child the pitfalls of any bad course of action and hope that common sense does the rest. If you have children or not would you recommend drug usage to your offspring?

 

[Stirlingsays]

I'm fed up with stoners.

Talk bullshit, do feck all worthwhile in the world.

Entitled paranoid wasters a lot of them.

Stick em in the stocks.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Paragraph one I do know that and carefully avoided any reference to an explosion in usage my concern is the thought that society and or a government would allow legal drug usage. Paragraph two yes I understand that. A slippery slope that we should choose to slide down, I would like more government intervention on food labeling,cigarettes and anything else that has hidden dangers. This is rather akin to parenting I explain to my child the pitfalls of any bad course of action and hope that common sense does the rest. If you have children or not would you recommend drug usage to your offspring?

Fair enough.

I think you're conflating two different things with the second part of your post - explaining the risks of something and hoping common sense does the rest is agreeing with the legalisation/decriminalisation option... you're not outlawing anything, but you're hoping with access to information on the consequences and risks, that people will on average make a sensible decision.

Similarly, the comparison would not be 'government intervention' on food labelling or cigarettes - it would just be the state outright banning (for example) sugar and tobacco as they can be harmful - that's the approach we take with illegal drugs.

I wouldn't recommend regular drug usage to anyone, including my son. But I also wouldn't want him to be criminalised for wanting to try things, and I certainly wouldn't want him to be treated as a criminal in the event he fell foul of an addiction.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

I would legalise low level drugs to be fair. I would suggest research into countries that have had limited legalisation. But I don't agree with full legalisation. I think a line has to be drawn against the most addictive drugs.

correct.
Tolerance and legality of soft drugs. And a tough hardline approach to all else. Including alcohol which wreaks havoc in society yet is still legal and socially acceptable.

of course, deciding what are 'soft drugs' is a problem. Skunk cannibas, among others, gives a lot of people schizophrenia....the mental equivalent of getting quadriplegiced in an accident.

 

[beak]

Fair enough.

I think you're conflating two different things with the second part of your post - explaining the risks of something and hoping common sense does the rest is agreeing with the legalisation/decriminalisation option... you're not outlawing anything, but you're hoping with access to information on the consequences and risks, that people will on average make a sensible decision.

Similarly, the comparison would not be 'government intervention' on food labelling or cigarettes - it would just be the state outright banning (for example) sugar and tobacco as they can be harmful - that's the approach we take with illegal drugs.

I wouldn't recommend regular drug usage to anyone, including my son. But I also wouldn't want him to be criminalised for wanting to try things, and I certainly wouldn't want him to be treated as a criminal in the event he fell foul of an addiction.

Generally i'm libertarian but cannot sit on the fence when the fun of trying something can mean severe long term damage to a home being, I know someone a young woman who is wheelchair bound do to a bad batch and she still is a very happy soul, I can stomach most things but it turns my over the thought of "if only". I think most people have a deeply entrenched position on this issue.

 

[Stirlingsays]

All recreational drugs are bad.....We all know what I'm talking about when I say drugs.

It should go without saying that some are obviously worse than others.

However, they all promote the wrong attitude and direction in life.

There are exceptions to someone being a failure on drugs (I've seen moderate coke use help some people with confidence). But most can't handle it and it fecks them up and messes up a lot of their loved ones lives too....I'd say if you can't do without it you're in the wrong job.

If you have already failed in life and have opted out and aren't pushing it on others or just minding your own business.....or they help with pain or some other issue, then I'll keep my opinion to myself.....Everyone has to get through this life the best they can.

But for young people looking to make a go of things in life.....which should be every young man or woman.....My advice is to stay away from that s*** and the people who would put you onto it.

Keep your mind sharp and your eyes on the prizes in life.

Failure/misery loves company.

 

[georgenorman]

That might explain some of your posts.😆

I wonder what Wisbech could be on?

 

[beak]

I wonder what Wisbech could be on?

Which beach, a lot to choose from in Kernow.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

All recreational drugs are bad.....We all know what I'm talking about when I say drugs.

It should go without saying that some are obviously worse than others.

However, they all promote the wrong attitude and direction in life.

There are exceptions to someone being a failure on drugs (I've seen moderate coke use help some people with confidence). But most can't handle it and it fecks them up and messes up a lot of their loved ones lives too....I'd say if you can't do without it you're in the wrong job.

If you have already failed in life and have opted out and aren't pushing it on others or just minding your own business.....or they help with pain or some other issue, then I'll keep my opinion to myself.....Everyone has to get through this life the best they can.

But for young people looking to make a go of things in life.....which should be every young man or woman.....My advice is to stay away from that s*** and the people who would put you onto it.

Keep your mind sharp and your eyes on the prizes in life.

Failure/misery loves company.

Interesting post, much of which I would agree with - certainly regular usage or a reliance on any substance is not something I would advise to anyone... and I do accept it's a slippery slope from casual usage into that.

But much in the same way alcohol helps a lot of people to relax/destress/blow-off steam/escape, I think a lot of recreational drugs have a place in a similar way - they can enhance experiences, help with all sorts of mental health issues, help with self-confidence and relationship-building.

Most things are perfectly fine in moderation, but absolutely the reliance is the concern.

 

[Matov]

The Greens represent everything I despise. But they offer a genuine alternative for people who disagree with me and what I believe.

I thought I was done with voting forever but now Restore are a party, and hopefully will offer me a chance to vote for them ASAP.

Give me the Greens over the Lab/Tory Uniparty bullshit any and every day of the week. An actual option on the ballot box that is offering a genuine change, albeit one I would loathe. But that is the point. If we are going to have a vote then it has to mean something.