Glasner Out

[JHB]

The bit I struggle with here is that implication that no one had our system ‘figured out’ before the last 3 months.

We’ve played the same way for a couple of years. It’s not a particularly innovative or unusual system, and its weaknesses have long been known.

I really struggle with any suggestion that it’s only recently been ‘found out’ - I don’t think that’s a viable explanation for our drop in form, which I link much more to player availability and form/confidence.

Everyone knew what we were going to do last season, and they knew in theory how to try and stop it - they just couldn’t.

I don’t know. If you look there has been a clear trend of us having more possession. That I think is deliberate as we don’t know what to do with it. See the second half against Burnley and Forest as good examples plus multiple examples in Europe. It also looks that teams are playing quick balls in behind our wing backs much more.

Of course it doesn’t help that we’ve lost a key player in Guehi and JPM (who was key to holding it up and bringing others into play) basically downed tools. Also the system relies on high intensity pressing and covering a lot of ground. There is no doubt the players have dropped off in that regard. That coincided with Glasner deciding he was leaving so clearly either he’s dropped off in focus, or the players have, or, most likely, both.

 

[Nicholas91]

Surely in elite sport they were savvy to us a long time ago!?

Completely agree it’s far from singular, but that feels one of the least convincing arguments to me.

Yeah I see your point.

Perhaps that sentiment stems from the observation that what once worked so well has now become almost worthless for us. That's almost factual.

Whilst I do think, generally speaking, Glasner's inability (for whatever reasons) to drum the players perfectly and others becoming far better versed in the 'system' are factors, perhaps the biggest issue is Glasner's inflexibility and therefore inability to adapt a system no longer fit for purpose?

 

[est1905]

I think it was the manner of the performance for me. We played nothing like the Glasner team of old, so negative vs a team we should have beaten comfortably.

The rest I agree with, Keep the faith!

I'm with that. The result was so-so. Not great, not terrible. It was the performance that disappointed me too. Didn't play with enough intensity, didn't move the ball quick enough.

 

[est1905]

On the contrary, I would recommend a complete move away from Glasner's system immediately. These are professional sportsmen earning tens of thousands a week in their particular field. A new system should not phase them, the strong likelihood is that they are familiar with a variety of other systems.
I wrote many weeks that change was necessary, based upon the observation that Glasner's system had been found out - basically the surprise factor was over and opposition coaches found it efficacious to put the ball behind our wingbacks and flood our outmanned midfield. There was a chorus of "it'll be alright when Munoz returns" and "we'll be fine with some new signings" but as we have seen, neither has panned out in a positive manner, and if anything, we look worse.
We sold our best players.
We brought in some duffers.
Glasner has been completely found out and doesn't have an answer.
What did anyone expect to happen?

Very naive post from someone who has clearly never played/coached football at a decent level. Thats not an attack. Many of us haven't. Still shows a huge lack of knowledge though.

 

[NEILLO]

Doesn’t it now boil down to this ;

Leaving aside the Conference League , we probably need 2 more wins and a draw or 2 to stay up. That has to be the priority.

At the moment Glasner is not a good bet to deliver those results. He himself now seems to acknowledge that. Which means parting company with him now is not the risk it was even a couple of weeks ago. The reset we hoped for after beating Brighton hasn’t materialised.

It leaves Steve Parish in the difficult position of what to do next at a critical time of the season. His decision to leave Glasner in the job hasn’t turned out well. His next decision needs to be the right one. I hope he gets it right - we’re about to find out

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Yeah I see your point.

Perhaps that sentiment stems from the observation that what once worked so well has now become almost worthless for us. That's almost factual.

Whilst I do think, generally speaking, Glasner's inability (for whatever reasons) to drum the players perfectly and others becoming far better versed in the 'system' are factors, perhaps the biggest issue is Glasner's inflexibility and therefore inability to adapt a system no longer fit for purpose?

Yeah agree that’s the basis of the sentiment, but I just don’t buy the explanation personally. Like I said above, everyone knew what we were going to do tactically last season, but stopping it was another matter entirely.

I think we have experienced to the extreme the pros and cons of a ‘system manager’ over the last year!

I agree his inflexibility has been very problematic in our recent run.

 

[JHB]

Very naive post from someone who has clearly never played/coached football at a decent level. Thats not an attack. Many of us haven't. Still shows a huge lack of knowledge though.

That really sounds incredibly arrogant and patronising. It’s not like changing tactics is some sort of rare and elevated thing in football. Teams do it all the time and have done all throughout the history of the game. Quite often we’ve seen teams change system from one game to the next, from a Saturday to a Tuesday.

It’s blindly obvious the system isn’t working. Look at the results and performances. Look at the squad and ask if they fit it. Of course we need to change it

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I don’t know. If you look there has been a clear trend of us having more possession. That I think is deliberate as we don’t know what to do with it. See the second half against Burnley and Forest as good examples plus multiple examples in Europe. It also looks that teams are playing quick balls in behind our wing backs much more.

Of course it doesn’t help that we’ve lost a key player in Guehi and JPM (who was key to holding it up and bringing others into play) basically downed tools. Also the system relies on high intensity pressing and covering a lot of ground. There is no doubt the players have dropped off in that regard. That coincided with Glasner deciding he was leaving so clearly either he’s dropped off in focus, or the players have, or, most likely, both.

Quality of opposition is also relevant there though - we were always going to have more possession in conference league games, as well as games against the bottom half domestically.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

I think I see Neil Warnock riding to Selhurst on a white charger (galloping up White Horse Lane). 🙂 That kind of mentality, just to get us to the end of the season

 

[est1905]

All I can say is you are either totally blind to what is in front of your eyes or you just choose to completely ignore it and rely purely on stats.

We are playing awful football and if that continues we will pick up very few points between now and the end of the season of which there is almost a third left.

You appear to have blind faith in the fact that other teams can’t turn it around. It’s over to them now, we are doing our best to help them out by picking up just 6 out of 33 points.

I do not agree that this is a good season, it was just a good start to the season and I’d rather be playing well at the business end rather than the beginning.

Ahh, you dont agree with me. I'll try really hard not to let it effect my sleep. 🤣
Cry all you want, we'll not be going down which all you hysterical girls keep whining. If the club decides to part ways with Glasner thats up to them. Until/unless that happens getting behind the team is the best any of us can do but you seem to be too busy running around waving your arms around screaming 'we're all going to die' 🤣🤣🤣

 

[eaglesdare]

Surely he can't take the wolves game?

Its going to a be toxic place on Sunday.

 

[Cucking Funt]

8 points from the remaining 12 games should do it. A couple of wins and a few draws. Let's hope they're capable of it.

I'm more confident of doing it without Glasner than with.

 

[RubinsCube]

The bit I struggle with here is that implication that no one had our system ‘figured out’ before the last 3 months.

We’ve played the same way for a couple of years. It’s not a particularly innovative or unusual system, and its weaknesses have long been known.

I really struggle with any suggestion that it’s only recently been ‘found out’ - I don’t think that’s a viable explanation for our drop in form, which I link much more to player availability and form/confidence.

Everyone knew what we were going to do last season, and they knew in theory how to try and stop it - they just couldn’t.

I think this is spot on. In essence, the system really suited the players last year. Time after time Munoz would get down the right and pull back for Mateta, Eze or Sarr.

Teams which managed to stop that then had incisive passes from Wharton or balls in behind for Mateta to deal with.

The front three of Eze/Sarr/Mateta blended together unbelievably well.

The back three of Guehi/Lacriox/Richards understood each other well and had varied, good distribution.

Once we sold Eze and Mateta developed a (worsening knee injury/new knee injury/blood-sucking agent/desire to play in Italy)* that forward line balance was broken.

Team imbalance was exascerbated by Munoz being out for a lengthy spell. The new signings haven't redressed the issue of balance.

We lost our leader and as others have said Richards on the left of a back three does not work. All this before the manager mentally and verbally checked out.

So I do not think it is predominantly a system thing. I think it is a players thing and I think it is a balance at each end of the pitch thing.

*delete as appropriate

 

[est1905]

That really sounds incredibly arrogant and patronising. It’s not like changing tactics is some sort of rare and elevated thing in football. Teams do it all the time and have done all throughout the history of the game. Quite often we’ve seen teams change system from one game to the next, from a Saturday to a Tuesday.

It’s blindly obvious the system isn’t working. Look at the results and performances. Look at the squad and ask if they fit it. Of course we need to change it

He suggested an immediate complete change in system and tactics with players drilled in this current system that cannot be done. You call that arrogance. Thats your opinion. I call it fact.

 

[Eagleman13]

I can see OG going Sunday morning(ish). Probably by his own fruition leaving us in the lurch, so to speak, so he doesn't have to face a toxic SP.

 

[Willo]

I think this is spot on. In essence, the system really suited the players last year. Time after time Munoz would get down the right and pull back for Mateta, Eze or Sarr.

Teams which managed to stop that then had incisive passes from Wharton or balls in behind for Mateta to deal with.

The front three of Eze/Sarr/Mateta blended together unbelievably well.

The back three of Guehi/Lacriox/Richards understood each other well and had varied, good distribution.

Once we sold Eze and Mateta developed a (worsening knee injury/new knee injury/blood-sucking agent/desire to play in Italy)* that forward line balance was broken.

Team imbalance was exascerbated by Munoz being out for a lengthy spell. The new signings haven't redressed the issue of balance.

We lost our leader and as others have said Richards on the left of a back three does not work. All this before the manager mentally and verbally checked out.

So I do not think it is predominantly a system thing. I think it is a players thing and I think it is a balance at each end of the pitch thing.

*delete as appropriate

May I congratulate you on your comments demonstrating sound judgement.

 

[doombear]

8 points from the remaining 12 games should do it. A couple of wins and a few draws. Let's hope they're capable of it.

It's reaching that stage. I've little confidence that we can achieve those two wins the way we are at present. In any event 8 pts may not be enough. Ironically, Spammers hold the record for going down with the most points in a 38 game season (42 points about 20 years or so ago). It will be just our luck to go down with 43 and take that mantle as we did when losing to Macclesfield and depriving Wolves of the record of the last FA Cup holders to lose to a non-league club - another irony being we were that non-league club.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Surely he can't take the wolves game?

Its going to a be toxic place on Sunday.

I think differently. Not as many in the Selhurst crowd read HOL or BBS as you might think. The only concerted chants might be from the Fanatics, and they're keeping their powder dry, and certainly as far as any displays.

I think the mood will be buoyant and supportive on matchday. What might happen on the final whistle will be of significance.

 

[Pikester]

OK everyone. Only 60 odd posts to go until the big 3000.
Let's all focus and get this over the line.
Probably best just to rehash the general feelings now rather than go out on a limb.
Feel free to reuse:
● 1 trick pony
● always grateful for the Fa Cup
● got found out
● no plan B
● no plan A
● let's not turn this into another dastardly Willo thread
● 1 win in 14 / Poor Brighton side
● Macclesfield debacle
● Paddy will fire them up
● Parish not blameless.

OK people. Let's do this!

 

[park the bus]

That really sounds incredibly arrogant and patronising. It’s not like changing tactics is some sort of rare and elevated thing in football. Teams do it all the time and have done all throughout the history of the game. Quite often we’ve seen teams change system from one game to the next, from a Saturday to a Tuesday.

It’s blindly obvious the system isn’t working. Look at the results and performances. Look at the squad and ask if they fit it. Of course we need to change it

I can just imagine the new manager coming in and saying "Right lads, you're well versed in the sacked blokes' system and it has been so very highly successful these past few months we're going to keep it for a few games before I unleash the intricacies of 4-4-2 on you, that'll show 'em!"