Glasner Out

[est1905]

Lanzo, I think you need to add me to that group. I’ve tried to understand the rationale of keeping Glasner in the job since his apparent’ giving notice ‘ in October. Based upon both personal experience of being in a similar situation myself and trusting that Steve Parish had weighed everything up and decided that was the best way forward.

I’ve also defended Glasner as I thought - and still do - that the club have been ham fisted in their approach to the last couple of transfer windows.

I don’t know about him ‘ losing the dressing room ‘ as such. In the fullness of time that may very well come out.

But what I’m starting to see from Glasner is the type of behaviour that I saw in Eddie Howe a few years ago when Bournemouth were going down. The look of someone that just doesn’t know how to turn things around.

We had as much right to expect our team to win tonight’s game as an Arsenal fan would have last night when they failed to beat Wolves. And we know how that turned out.

Our team simply aren’t performing to an acceptable standard at the moment . That’s partially due to a lack of confidence but in a results business the Manager takes ultimate responsibility.

A win on Sunday and another next Thursday and things will feel a lot better than they do tonight. I realise that’s a very optimistic view and seems somewhat unlikely as I write this.

If that doesn’t happen then I think it has to be accepted that the decision to keep Glasner hasn’t worked out.

I tend to agree with this. having just watched his full interview I feel if we beat Wolves it will be despite Glasner not because of him which really is unforgivable at this level. He may well feel downbeat but he needs to get his big boy pants on and start being a bit more positive. Players (especially young players) are going to be negatively affected by the Head Coach being so downbeat.

 

[chris123]

Paddy and Robbie are both from Dublin! Not much good ever came out of Dublin only the road out of it . Parish prob said they can share the same caravan . And they will be able to understand eachother . 🤣

Prawns and Guinness.

 

[est1905]

"Happy" is a stretch. In the first third of the season I was "happy". Until some point in December I was "Content". Now I am somewhere below content, but I am not "distraught" as many here are.

As I stated, I want more, expected more, I'm just not as panicked as a lot of people have been. I can't see any change to the bottom three other than possibly Forest swapping with Wet Spam, honestly.

Five teams have to find the secret for us to be in danger. West Ham are not going to deliver 9 more points than us, it's just not achievable for them, that alone means we are safe even if four of the five below us find the secret somewhere to pull a run off, which realistically won't happen either.

"Glass half full" may be more accurate than "happy".

Agree completely. Some do really need to get a grip. Mathematically we can be relegated. Realistically this is hugely unlikely but to read some of the comments on here is embarrassing. A potentially great season has turned into a good season. Big Wow! Lets all go and hide under our beds.
We still have more points right now than 7 of the last 10 seasons in this division AND we're still in Europe. This team drew with Villa a year ago. To scream that the result was unforgivable shows a lack of knowledge. They are not a bad team and have way more Euro experience than us.

 

[1969eagle]

Glasner is an arrogant gobshite. Showing his true colours in adversity.
Disrespectful to the club
Get him gone before Sunday.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Agree completely. Some do really need to get a grip. Mathematically we can be relegated. Realistically this is hugely unlikely but to read some of the comments on here is embarrassing. A potentially great season has turned into a good season. Big Wow! Lets all go and hide under our beds.
We still have more points right now than 7 of the last 10 seasons in this division AND we're still in Europe. This team drew with Villa a year ago. To scream that the result was unforgivable shows a lack of knowledge. They are not a bad team and have way more Euro experience than us.

Yawn

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I tend to agree with this. having just watched his full interview I feel if we beat Wolves it will be despite Glasner not because of him which really is unforgivable at this level. He may well feel downbeat but he needs to get his big boy pants on and start being a bit more positive. Players (especially young players) are going to be negatively affected by the Head Coach being so downbeat.

Your already in it.

 

[madcap_v2]

Agree completely. Some do really need to get a grip. Mathematically we can be relegated. Realistically this is hugely unlikely but to read some of the comments on here is embarrassing. A potentially great season has turned into a good season. Big Wow! Lets all go and hide under our beds.
We still have more points right now than 7 of the last 10 seasons in this division AND we're still in Europe. This team drew with Villa a year ago. To scream that the result was unforgivable shows a lack of knowledge. They are not a bad team and have way more Euro experience than us.

I think it was the manner of the performance for me. We played nothing like the Glasner team of old, so negative vs a team we should have beaten comfortably.

The rest I agree with, Keep the faith!

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I tend to agree with this. having just watched his full interview I feel if we beat Wolves it will be despite Glasner not because of him which really is unforgivable at this level. He may well feel downbeat but he needs to get his big boy pants on and start being a bit more positive. Players (especially young players) are going to be negatively affected by the Head Coach being so downbeat.

Lederhosen, all that backside slapping should suit him, he talks out of it most of the time.

 

[park the bus]

Biggest question remains in this discussion - who replaces Glasner? Anyone can sack their manager but that doesn't fix any problems if we don't have a replacement.

The squad are mostly built to play Glasner's system, so would need to be a manager who makes minimal changes to that structure. I would suggest the only thing a new manager would be able to bring this season is a fresh mindset and therefore a new motivation for the players. Any interim appointment would be pointless in my opinion as the players would still be playing for a manager who is off at the end of the season, which is what we currently have.

On the contrary, I would recommend a complete move away from Glasner's system immediately. These are professional sportsmen earning tens of thousands a week in their particular field. A new system should not phase them, the strong likelihood is that they are familiar with a variety of other systems.
I wrote many weeks that change was necessary, based upon the observation that Glasner's system had been found out - basically the surprise factor was over and opposition coaches found it efficacious to put the ball behind our wingbacks and flood our outmanned midfield. There was a chorus of "it'll be alright when Munoz returns" and "we'll be fine with some new signings" but as we have seen, neither has panned out in a positive manner, and if anything, we look worse.
We sold our best players.
We brought in some duffers.
Glasner has been completely found out and doesn't have an answer.
What did anyone expect to happen?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Paddy and Robbie are both from Dublin! Not much good ever came out of Dublin only the road out of it . Parish prob said they can share the same caravan . And they will be able to understand eachother . 🤣

Except Paddy McCarthy of course. And Paddy Mulligan.

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

Has he gone yet ?

 

[Nicholas91]

On the contrary, I would recommend a complete move away from Glasner's system immediately. These are professional sportsmen earning tens of thousands a week in their particular field. A new system should not phase them, the strong likelihood is that they are familiar with a variety of other systems.
I wrote many weeks that change was necessary, based upon the observation that Glasner's system had been found out - basically the surprise factor was over and opposition coaches found it efficacious to put the ball behind our wingbacks and flood our outmanned midfield. There was a chorus of "it'll be alright when Munoz returns" and "we'll be fine with some new signings" but as we have seen, neither has panned out in a positive manner, and if anything, we look worse.
We sold our best players.
We brought in some duffers.
Glasner has been completely found out and doesn't have an answer.
What did anyone expect to happen?

Agree all round ptb aside from us ‘buying duffers’ for the very reasons you have given.

The system is broken, the players know it, the manager knows it.

A new system with perhaps a new lease of life under a new manager and perhaps some of the so-called ‘duffers’ might begin to show their worth.

 

[Eaglecoops]

Agree completely. Some do really need to get a grip. Mathematically we can be relegated. Realistically this is hugely unlikely but to read some of the comments on here is embarrassing. A potentially great season has turned into a good season. Big Wow! Lets all go and hide under our beds.
We still have more points right now than 7 of the last 10 seasons in this division AND we're still in Europe. This team drew with Villa a year ago. To scream that the result was unforgivable shows a lack of knowledge. They are not a bad team and have way more Euro experience than us.

All I can say is you are either totally blind to what is in front of your eyes or you just choose to completely ignore it and rely purely on stats.

We are playing awful football and if that continues we will pick up very few points between now and the end of the season of which there is almost a third left.

You appear to have blind faith in the fact that other teams can’t turn it around. It’s over to them now, we are doing our best to help them out by picking up just 6 out of 33 points.

I do not agree that this is a good season, it was just a good start to the season and I’d rather be playing well at the business end rather than the beginning.

 

[park the bus]

Agree all round ptb aside from us ‘buying duffers’ for the very reasons you have given.

The system is broken, the players know it, the manager knows it.

A new system with perhaps a new lease of life under a new manager and perhaps some of the so-called ‘duffers’ might begin to show their worth.

Yes, it would give the opportunity to those who have not flourished under Glasner to get up and go again. It would also sort the wheat from the chaff.

 

[mtp1958]

In my earlier post I said that if we beat Wolves and Mostar then everything starts to look a lot better - stating the obvious I know. And from the outside looking in that scenario looks eminently possible.

But if your contact had been closely following our recent performances then he may take a less optimistic view.

Last nights game highlighted where it’s all started to go wrong. We don’t win games in which we have the majority of possession. The players look anxious and that’s leading to unforced errors - their goal being a prime example. With LaCroix now injured we’re running out of players in central defence. That should have been addressed in January. Instead £35m was spent on a player that has so far made zero impact .

My only remaining sympathy with Glasner is around the transfer windows - I find it hard to believe that he would have endorsed some or all of the signings that have been made.

A lot of money has been spent on the likes of Nketiah, Pino and now Johnson . None of them look value for money. And whatever was spent on Franca will need writing off as well.

The manager always ultimately carries the can at times like this and Glasner hasn’t done himself any favours with his conduct.

But I see it as a collective- Parish, Glasner and the players are all responsible for the current situation.

Me to last 2 especially

 

[CPFCSaturn]

On the contrary, I would recommend a complete move away from Glasner's system immediately. These are professional sportsmen earning tens of thousands a week in their particular field. A new system should not phase them, the strong likelihood is that they are familiar with a variety of other systems.
I wrote many weeks that change was necessary, based upon the observation that Glasner's system had been found out - basically the surprise factor was over and opposition coaches found it efficacious to put the ball behind our wingbacks and flood our outmanned midfield. There was a chorus of "it'll be alright when Munoz returns" and "we'll be fine with some new signings" but as we have seen, neither has panned out in a positive manner, and if anything, we look worse.
We sold our best players.
We brought in some duffers.
Glasner has been completely found out and doesn't have an answer.
What did anyone expect to happen?

The bit I struggle with here is that implication that no one had our system ‘figured out’ before the last 3 months.

We’ve played the same way for a couple of years. It’s not a particularly innovative or unusual system, and its weaknesses have long been known.

I really struggle with any suggestion that it’s only recently been ‘found out’ - I don’t think that’s a viable explanation for our drop in form, which I link much more to player availability and form/confidence.

Everyone knew what we were going to do last season, and they knew in theory how to try and stop it - they just couldn’t.

 

[Nicholas91]

Yes, it would give the opportunity to those who have not flourished under Glasner to get up and go again. It would also sort the wheat from the chaff.

Agree.

The players look low on confidence not only in themselves but in the way they are playing. Again, echoing your sentiments, players having faith in the system, clarity on their role within it and confidence in themselves may look very different.

Until then, nothing will change, but I’m actually willing to give them all a clean slate once a change is made.

 

[Linford]

You are a weird little man...

Of course I'm here. I'm a Palace FAN.
I will SUPPORT the team and manager, whoever that may be. For every day Glasner is manager, I will support him.

But he needs to go. Never in my 35+ years as a Palace fan have I seen a manager practically beg to be sacked. Just walk. No tears from me at all if he is sacked.

We’ve seen three do it this season alone, if we are calling it that.

 

[Nicholas91]

The bit I struggle with here is that implication that no one had our system ‘figured out’ before the last 3 months.

We’ve played the same way for a couple of years. It’s not a particularly innovative or unusual system, and its weaknesses have long been known.

I really struggle with any suggestion that it’s only recently been ‘found out’ - I don’t think that’s a viable explanation for our drop in form, which I link much more to player availability and form/confidence.

Everyone knew what we were going to do last season, and they knew in theory how to try and stop it - they just couldn’t.

I think managers savvying up to the way we play is a big facet but I don’t think a singular explanation for our woes. I’d suggest it’s a number of things including those you’ve identified.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I think managers savvying up to the way we play is a big facet but I don’t think a singular explanation for our woes. I’d suggest it’s a number of things including those you’ve identified.

Surely in elite sport they were savvy to us a long time ago!?

Completely agree it’s far from singular, but that feels one of the least convincing arguments to me.