Kamada

[doombear]

Cast minds back to the summer a few years ago when we had about 13 out of contract at the same time. From memory, that may have included the likes of Townsend and Cahill etc, good lads who had done a good job. A lot of people, including on here, were going through the list and contending that most or all of them should go, as they were average.

My point at that time is that you should only let a player go for free if you know you can get a better replacement. Factor in that you need to pay a transfer fee quite often, and it's hard to come out of that situation on top, and it often makes sense to retain the average journeyman player at the end of his contract, so long as he can do a job. On the same basis, it's not like there isn't a good argument for trying to keep Kamada.

Even so, there are some strong arguments to let him go, even if he wants to stay.

Firstly, he has benefited from the high wages associated with a free transfer two or three times now, and may well have his heart set on doing it again. Unless we can match what he might make somewhere else, he probably won't stay. Even though keeping him saves paying a transfer fee for a replacement (probably), his salary is part of us being dangerously close to the turnover/wages limit. Keeping him would restrict us doing more important deals for other key players.

Second, he has very little resale value given his age, ability, and wages. Who would give us decent money for him? We have only now begun having a couple of quid to spend on transfers, and that's because we sold well. The key to that is saleable assets, and Kamada isn't one.

Third, ideally there should be some sort of hierarchy of merit in the wage structure. Of course, it doesn't always happen that way and often wages come from the circumstances when a player joins us, but once you start giving out second or third contracts on the same wages, you've chosen to double down on it. Kamada is on three times what Wharton is, twice Hughes. That must threaten to undermine harmony at times.

Finally, he just isn't that good. Not s***, but not great, and certainly not irreplaceable. Even before scouting for a particular replacement, the club has a fair idea of how hard the task will be. Replacing Olise and Eze is impossible. Replacing Kamada should realistically be achievable. The risks in letting him go are lower. Perhaps they won't be able to replace him, but there is little reason to presume that.

Well argued BTP. I'd only consider keeping Kamada if his wages were halved. However, I doubt he'll want to stay. I expect him to follow Glasner if he can.

 

[Eaglecoops]

He doesn’t fit the profile age wise, is only average and appears more loyal to the manager than the club. He can happily go with Glasner and Mateta.

He has missed several glorious opportunities to score since he joined us. Another of our non firing midfielders in front of goal.

 

[TheBigToePunt]

Well argued BTP. I'd only consider keeping Kamada if his wages were halved. However, I doubt he'll want to stay. I expect him to follow Glasner if he can.

Be interesting to see if that does happen, especially if Glasner does get one of these proverbial Top Jobs.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Be interesting to see if that does happen, especially if Glasner does get one of these proverbial Top Jobs.

It'd be surprising if Kamada went to a big club; he hasn't exactly put himself in the shop window.
He's a frustrating player who's prone to a costly error and you wonder what the reaction would be if he'd come through the academy as opposed to being a top earner at Palace - have to doubt he'd have got more than a handful of appearances based on what he's shown. Enough has been said about Devenny not making it but would Kamada have looked any more promising?

 

[TheBigToePunt]

It'd be surprising if Kamada went to a big club; he hasn't exactly put himself in the shop window.
He's a frustrating player who's prone to a costly error and you wonder what the reaction would be if he'd come through the academy as opposed to being a top earner at Palace - have to doubt he'd have got more than a handful of appearances based on what he's shown. Enough has been said about Devenny not making it but would Kamada have looked any more promising?

I know it upsets some who rate Kamada highly, but I would be interested to see if Devenny would have been a significant downgrade on Kamada in the centre of midfield. Devenny is very average, but he has tended to be put in one of the no10 spots when he plays. That showcases many of his shortcomings, as it did for Kamada when he played there. Kamada got the chance to do a different job instead, perhaps one where there is a better chance of offsetting your own moderate ability with hard work. I'm sure Devenny would benefit from that same opportunity.

Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating for Devenny to be our first choice centre midfielder, but I do question whether, overall, we would get much less from him there than we get from Kamada. We would just be getting it for a fifth of the wage.

 

[ASCPFC]

Be interesting to see if that does happen, especially if Glasner does get one of these proverbial Top Jobs.

I'm not sure he will. I would have thought Forest more his level now. Or whatever the German or French equivalent is. In fact, had Dyche not just been sacked I wouldn't have been surprised to see Glasner at Forest next season. Kamada can go there with my blessing. I have to say I just don't see him as a future player for us.

 

[Mystic Smeg]

You're so wrong on me it's no surprise you're wrong on Kamada.

I went to the cup semi and finals in 1990, and the 2016 final and that Chelsea semi final too (obvs with tons of games in between home and away over the years), and yeah, I was offered tickets to the final but I declined them and gave them to my cousin because I felt I had a Wembley jinx and I was so desperate for us to win. I also played 100+ games for the supporters club Vs other supporters clubs, I have scored against Arsenal plus a few others too, and I was one of the 1000 to sponsor the game shirt after we got shafted by Goldberg.

You can thank me anytime, your finishing was as accurate as Kamadas on Sunday

The thing is St Spindle, I'm not wrong on Kamada as many on here will agree. The fact you've actually played the game (though not what you can really call a great level) surprises me that you think Kamada is shite, I've already acknowledged he had a poor game on Sunday (even though it was him that started the move for Wharton to set up JSL), but then so did the rest of them. If you can, watch a few re-runs of Palace games where Kamada was awesome and picked up several MOTM awards. Start at the Villa semi.Then you can thank me for enlightening you

 

[Eaglecoops]

The thing is St Spindle, I'm not wrong on Kamada as many on here will agree. The fact you've actually played the game (though not what you can really call a great level) surprises me that you think Kamada is shite, I've already acknowledged he had a poor game on Sunday (even though it was him that started the move for Wharton to set up JSL), but then so did the rest of them. If you can, watch a few re-runs of Palace games where Kamada was awesome and picked up several MOTM awards. Start at the Villa semi.Then you can thank me for enlightening you

Well, the 0-0 vs Bournemouth was Henderson, the Arsenal 2-2 was Eze and the cup match against Villa it was Sarr and against Forest it was Mitchell who were man of the match, then Spurs Kamada didn’t play, then Man City in the cup Henderson was man of the match, then Mitchell was man of the match against Liverpool.

How far back last season are we going for these dazzling performances or has one game got stuck in your mind?

The guy is just an average player in my opinion.

 

[radicalsteve]

the stats say it all - as a forward oriented midfielder, his scoring record is poor for us - notwithstanding non of our current midfielders seem to know where the goal is and they all pull their shots high or wide! That is is an overall problem for Palace, results wise, in the Premier League this season.

 

[Mystic Smeg]

Well, the 0-0 vs Bournemouth was Henderson, the Arsenal 2-2 was Eze and the cup match against Villa it was Sarr and against Forest it was Mitchell who were man of the match, then Spurs Kamada didn’t play, then Man City in the cup Henderson was man of the match, then Mitchell was man of the match against Liverpool.

How far back last season are we going for these dazzling performances or has one game got stuck in your mind?

The guy is just an average player in my opinion.

Of course Sarr was for the Villa game but did you actually watch Kamada? His performances in both the semi and final helped us win the cup. It's not all about scoring and penalty saves. Anyway you and the Supporters Club player of the century obviously can't stand Daichi so may as well end this now cos we ain't gonna agree

 

[Eaglecoops]

Of course Sarr was for the Villa game but did you actually watch Kamada? His performances in both the semi and final helped us win the cup. It's not all about scoring and penalty saves. Anyway you and the Supporters Club player of the century obviously can't stand Daichi so may as well end this now cos we ain't gonna agree

It’s got nothing to do with not liking Kamada. I look at his stats and his all round ability and I don’t rate him that highly, simple as that. You obviously do.

 

[Mystic Smeg]

It’s got nothing to do with not liking Kamada. I look at his stats and his all round ability and I don’t rate him that highly, simple as that. You obviously do.

I rate him in the games that he has been outstanding, which is quite a few, but his slow start at the club didn't do him any favours and the guy did bloody well to turn it around.He'll probably go in the summer then there'll be someone else to take his place in the firing line. We'll agree to disagree. Have a marvellous evening

 

[sprites]

I rate him in the games that he has been outstanding, which is quite a few, but his slow start at the club didn't do him any favours and the guy did bloody well to turn it around.He'll probably go in the summer then there'll be someone else to take his place in the firing line. We'll agree to disagree. Have a marvellous evening

All two-and-a-half of them across two seasons.

This is very much a agree-to-disagree across many posters. Let's put it to bed 🙂

 

[Palacesince64]

He’s the football equivalent of marmite for sure!

 

[samprior]

He's not as bad as some people say he is and he's not as good as some people say he is. He has some great games, he has some poor games and he has a lot of games where he's somewhere in between.

Hope that clears it up 😉

 

[Mystic Smeg]

All two-and-a-half of them across two seasons.

This is very much a agree-to-disagree across many posters. Let's put it to bed.

Player of the MONTH Sep 25 and Oct 25. Think that's more than 2 1/2 games 🛌🏻😴 Night night sleep tight sprites😂

 

[sprites]

He's not as bad as some people say he is and he's not as good as some people say he is. He has some great games, he has some poor games and he has a lot of games where he's somewhere in between.

Hope that clears it up 😉

You've probably nailed it, mate.