US Politics

[Wisbech Eagle]

Federal judges? You trust them when it suits you.
We have already seen how neutral federal judges are. And posting one sided links is hardly convincing.

This is a political war. One side wants to align with illegal immigrant criminals while the other wants to deport them using all means necessary. I know which side I'm on.

It’s certainly a war. But not a political one.

It’s between democracy, and freedom under the law, and authoritarianism which is morphing into dictatorship territory.

The people in the USA are waking up to this realisation and beginning to resist. Let’s hope it stays a war of words and ideas.

 

[Stirlingsays]

It’s certainly a war. But not a political one.

It’s between democracy, and freedom under the law, and authoritarianism which is morphing into dictatorship territory.

The people in the USA are waking up to this realisation and beginning to resist. Let’s hope it stays a war of words and ideas.

Years ago I told you it would come to arms and you denied it.

Now reality is beginning to hit you.

It's inevitable old man......just as the left losing that particular fight is.

When you and your follow crazies supported jailing Trump, you sealed the deal.

If Trump doesn't secure voter ID, I don't see an election happening and they will find the reasons for it.

 

[HKOwen]

I really don't see a problem with voter ID, it is required in many countries

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

It’s certainly a war. But not a political one.

It’s between democracy, and freedom under the law, and authoritarianism which is morphing into dictatorship territory.

The people in the USA are waking up to this realisation and beginning to resist. Let’s hope it stays a war of words and ideas.

What is wrong with authority removing illegal immigrants?
The people of the USA are divided down political lines. Like you, the ones on the left will evoke all kinds of scare mongering born from TDS.
No one complained when former presidents removed illegals and yet you claim that Trump is somehow different.
No doubt you supported the violence and looting that occurred last time the left tried to influence democracy by stirring up trouble. You want a re run.

You and your kind are the problem.

 

[eaglesdare]

What is wrong with authority removing illegal immigrants?
The people of the USA are divided down political lines. Like you, the ones on the left will evoke all kinds of scare mongering born from TDS.
No one complained when former presidents removed illegals and yet you claim that Trump is somehow different.
No doubt you supported the violence and looting that occurred last time the left tried to influence democracy by stirring up trouble. You want a re run.

You and your kind are the problem.

Simple really! The Democratic states loose their voter base! 🤣

It does seem to be the Democrat states are the only ones with the problems these days. We never had trouble from Republican states while the Dems were in power? Maybe because they are more civilized?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Years ago I told you it would come to arms and you denied it.

Now reality is beginning to hit you.

It's inevitable old man......just as the left losing that particular fight is.

When you and your follow crazies supported jailing Trump, you sealed the deal.

If Trump doesn't secure voter ID, I don't see an election happening and they will find the reasons for it.

I don’t see it “coming to arms” and never have. It’s very far from inevitable. The Republican part of Congress might be frozen in fear of Trump at the moment but that won’t last. They aren’t all stupid. Eventually they will side with the Democrats or be replaced by them to restore their control over the Presidency.

Should Trump decide to try to suspend the Constitution, with the expected support of a tame Supreme Court, then that’s the time that the heat gets turned up. The bottom line is the military. If they are ordered to do anything unconstitutional then they will refuse. Their loyalty being to the Constitution and not the President. That’s the only scenario I see of arms being used in any serious way. It would be brief and effective. Congress would be restored and a new President appointed, presumably the then Democratic leader of the House, Trump and Vance having been impeached, removed and incarcerated for their own safety.

This has nothing to do with left v right politics. The Trump regime don’t offer right politics at all. They offer authoritarianism. Nothing else.

It was the law that sought to jail Trump. No one being above it.

Trump will try to suspend the elections. It could well be the tipping point.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

What is wrong with authority removing illegal immigrants?
The people of the USA are divided down political lines. Like you, the ones on the left will evoke all kinds of scare mongering born from TDS.
No one complained when former presidents removed illegals and yet you claim that Trump is somehow different.
No doubt you supported the violence and looting that occurred last time the left tried to influence democracy by stirring up trouble. You want a re run.

You and your kind are the problem.

Who has ever suggested it is?

That you think they have is the entire problem.

It’s the methods, the behaviour of the thugs being used to carry out the tasks in illegal ways, the denial of habeas corpus and treatment of citizens that has caused the protests.

People had no reason to complain about previous Presidents, because then proper procedures were followed.

The “left” aren’t involved. People concerned about democracy are.

 

[Common Sense Club]

I don’t see it “coming to arms” and never have. It’s very far from inevitable. The Republican part of Congress might be frozen in fear of Trump at the moment but that won’t last. They aren’t all stupid. Eventually they will side with the Democrats or be replaced by them to restore their control over the Presidency.

Should Trump decide to try to suspend the Constitution, with the expected support of a tame Supreme Court, then that’s the time that the heat gets turned up. The bottom line is the military. If they are ordered to do anything unconstitutional then they will refuse. Their loyalty being to the Constitution and not the President. That’s the only scenario I see of arms being used in any serious way. It would be brief and effective. Congress would be restored and a new President appointed, presumably the then Democratic leader of the House, Trump and Vance having been impeached, removed and incarcerated for their own safety.

This has nothing to do with left v right politics. The Trump regime don’t offer right politics at all. They offer authoritarianism. Nothing else.

It was the law that sought to jail Trump. No one being above it.

Trump will try to suspend the elections. It could well be the tipping point.

Trump could well suspend elections; he could ask Starmer for advice…

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Trump could well suspend elections; he could ask Starmer for advice…

you need not suspend elections for long. Just until the colonization has made its way officially onto the local electoral-register. A bit like Dundrum, Co Tipperary. A village totally swamped by the new numbers of voters - and surely all schooled in how to vote ?

"Close Dundrum IPAS now", locals say after Court win - Gript

Calls for the Minister to act "immediately" to shut down IPAS centre in Dundrum House Hotel after High Court issued an order quashing a planning exemption.

gript.ie

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Who has ever suggested it is?

That you think they have is the entire problem.

It’s the methods, the behaviour of the thugs being used to carry out the tasks in illegal ways, the denial of habeas corpus and treatment of citizens that has caused the protests.

People had no reason to complain about previous Presidents, because then proper procedures were followed.

The “left” aren’t involved. People concerned about democracy are.

You expect me to take that seriously? This is why I put you on ignore.

You have no idea what the average American thinks. What you see are the noisy minority who claim to hold the moral high ground and represent 'the people.'

Illegal immigrants were allowed to flood into America by the left. They want their votes. The victims of the rise in criminality due to this are seen as collateral damage. They have even got their useful idiots who will defend the rights of foreign criminals over the safety of US citizens and the rule of law.

Meanwhile, you complain about 'illegal ways' of apprehending illegal immigrants. Do you see the irony there?
I suppose you think that hardened criminals respond well to kindness and will just hand themselves in.

Democracy is voting for Donald Trump and then letting him and his government make policy.
You are forever telling us that politicians are not delegates, and yet suddenly it's OK to defy decisions taken by a President? It's OK for Mayors to act against ICE agents? It's OK for activists to interfere with procedure? You talk of the people rising up.

You are the problem.

 

[silvertop]

I thought me and Hrolf were the most infamous.

Looks like we are old hat.

Not every post is about you
😉

 

[pssguy]

I really don't see a problem with voter ID, it is required in many countries

We have it in Canada and it's a non-issue

 

[Stirlingsays]

Not every post is about you
😉

Good thing I didn't work for the Royal Mail.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Good thing I didn't work for the Royal Mail.

It might have been a lot better if you had.

Pounding the streets being much more useful than pounding keyboards.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You expect me to take that seriously? This is why I put you on ignore.

You have no idea what the average American thinks. What you see are the noisy minority who claim to hold the moral high ground and represent 'the people.'

Illegal immigrants were allowed to flood into America by the left. They want their votes. The victims of the rise in criminality due to this are seen as collateral damage. They have even got their useful idiots who will defend the rights of foreign criminals over the safety of US citizens and the rule of law.

Meanwhile, you complain about 'illegal ways' of apprehending illegal immigrants. Do you see the irony there?
I suppose you think that hardened criminals respond well to kindness and will just hand themselves in.

Democracy is voting for Donald Trump and then letting him and his government make policy.
You are forever telling us that politicians are not delegates, and yet suddenly it's OK to defy decisions taken by a President? It's OK for Mayors to act against ICE agents? It's OK for activists to interfere with procedure? You talk of the people rising up.

You are the problem.

You are in serious danger of choking if you really are swallowing this much bs!

This is just the lie told by the Trump administration to wind people up. You aren’t American. You ought to be able to see it for what it is.

That’s the problem with people like you. You will believe anything if it fits your narrative. Even the most obviously preposterous nonsense.

No one wants illegal immigration. Some are more sympathetic than others to those seeking genuine asylum.

Everyone, even the most desperate criminal, is entitled to expect to be treated lawfully in a democratic country. The USA is not a banana republic. It has a reputation to uphold. A reputation that Trump is ruining. That has nothing to do with the authorities being determined and resourceful. It only has to do with respecting the law.

Democracy has nothing whatsoever in voting for Trump and him ignoring the law. He doesn’t make the law. Congress does by following or amending the constitution. The States are supreme. The President serves the States, not the other way around. The President is a servant of the people. Not their king.

 

[Common Sense Club]

You are in serious danger of choking if you really are swallowing this much bs!

This is just the lie told by the Trump administration to wind people up. You aren’t American. You ought to be able to see it for what it is.

That’s the problem with people like you. You will believe anything if it fits your narrative. Even the most obviously preposterous nonsense.

No one wants illegal immigration. Some are more sympathetic than others to those seeking genuine asylum.

Everyone, even the most desperate criminal, is entitled to expect to be treated lawfully in a democratic country. The USA is not a banana republic. It has a reputation to uphold. A reputation that Trump is ruining. That has nothing to do with the authorities being determined and resourceful. It only has to do with respecting the law.

Democracy has nothing whatsoever in voting for Trump and him ignoring the law. He doesn’t make the law. Congress does by following or amending the constitution. The States are supreme. The President serves the States, not the other way around. The President is a servant of the people. Not their king.

I think you have mentioned an interesting angle in that even the most desperate criminal is entitled to be treated lawfully in a democratic society. Many don’t agree, and whilst it would be nice to think that if you treat people fairly, then somehow criminals will somehow become more considerate, less violent etc. because of this fairness, the universal application of law across all citizens means a lot of criminals exist because they know the limitations of the law (including non citizens). There is an argument that if you abuse your rights or take away the rights of others through criminal activity then you lose your own rights. Not liked by many but supported by many too.

 

[eaglesdare]

I really don't see a problem with voter ID, it is required in many countries

I do find it crazy in some US states that you can be a life long republican voter and then when you die you become a Democrat voter. 🤔

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

You are in serious danger of choking if you really are swallowing this much bs!

This is just the lie told by the Trump administration to wind people up. You aren’t American. You ought to be able to see it for what it is.

That’s the problem with people like you. You will believe anything if it fits your narrative. Even the most obviously preposterous nonsense.

No one wants illegal immigration. Some are more sympathetic than others to those seeking genuine asylum.

Everyone, even the most desperate criminal, is entitled to expect to be treated lawfully in a democratic country. The USA is not a banana republic. It has a reputation to uphold. A reputation that Trump is ruining. That has nothing to do with the authorities being determined and resourceful. It only has to do with respecting the law.

Democracy has nothing whatsoever in voting for Trump and him ignoring the law. He doesn’t make the law. Congress does by following or amending the constitution. The States are supreme. The President serves the States, not the other way around. The President is a servant of the people. Not their king.

Self awareness alert. You are describing yourself.

I don't think illegal immigrants should be entitled to anything. They should not be there.
The law should apply to citizens of the country concerned.
Illegals should consider themselves lucky if they are not taken out to sea and dumped overboard.

Your priorities are seriously messed up. Trump does not pander to criminals, unlike you.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I think you have mentioned an interesting angle in that even the most desperate criminal is entitled to be treated lawfully in a democratic society. Many don’t agree, and whilst it would be nice to think that if you treat people fairly, then somehow criminals will somehow become more considerate, less violent etc. because of this fairness, the universal application of law across all citizens means a lot of criminals exist because they know the limitations of the law (including non citizens). There is an argument that if you abuse your rights or take away the rights of others through criminal activity then you lose your own rights. Not liked by many but supported by many too.

It has nothing to do with any expectation of better behaviour from criminals. Why on earth would that make any difference?

It’s only about us maintaining our standards in spite of any and every provocation. It’s to ensure our society retains total confidence in our system at all times. For you never know when you might find yourself on the other side of the law, whether fairly or unfairly, and you need to know that your rights are sacrosanct.

 

[Common Sense Club]

It has nothing to do with any expectation of better behaviour from criminals. Why on earth would that make any difference?

It’s only about us maintaining our standards in spite of any and every provocation. It’s to ensure our society retains total confidence in our system at all times. For you never know when you might find yourself on the other side of the law, whether fairly or unfairly, and you need to know that your rights are sacrosanct.

As a citizen I would expect that but I do not expect a non-citizen in my country who had literally broken into the country to have the same benefits. I have certain rights as a result of being British; these are not transferable and should not be given to anybody who does not enter the country via official channels.