US Politics

[Hrolf The Ganger]

This has nothing whatsoever to do with either the racial make up of those employed by ICE or of those they are targeting.

It only has to do with their behaviour, which has been directed by this scammy administration. Behaviour which has resulted in the deaths, and abuse, of US citizens. protesters

So the very diverse ICE agents are racial profiling, or they aren't?

And rounding up illegals is 'scammy' under Trump but OK under Obama and Biden?

The deaths were the result of loony activists interfering with the process. This was not an Ohio school situation. You and Neil Young can power down.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Yes, just so long as everyone is able to obtain their ID in time and a wide range of IDs are acceptable. It’s incumbent on the administration to ensure no group is disadvantaged by the requirements and to provide as much assistance as is needed to ensure total coverage.

That though does not appear to be the objective. Barriers are being considered which would make it hard for some to comply. It’s being politically exploited.

It would be surprising if most people in America don't carry some form of id. In Florida 6 years ago at Walmart/Walgreens an 80 year old trying to buy cigarettes was required to show valid id as proof of age and many of them won't accept a UK passport or drivers license.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So the very diverse ICE agents are racial profiling, or they aren't?

And rounding up illegals is 'scammy' under Trump but OK under Obama and Biden?

The deaths were the result of loony activists interfering with the process. This was not an Ohio school situation. You and Neil Young can power down.

They are being directed to work that way, visiting neighbourhoods which have high levels of particular ethnicities and rounding up those who look like they could be illegal. That wasn’t the way it was done in the past as it’s illegal. You need probable cause to arrest a suspect.

No one interfered with any process. Protests were made about illegal behaviour.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

They are being directed to work that way, visiting neighbourhoods which have high levels of particular ethnicities and rounding up those who look like they could be illegal. That wasn’t the way it was done in the past as it’s illegal. You need probable cause to arrest a suspect.

No one interfered with any process. Protests were made about illegal behaviour.

Says who?

I would imagine that they are employing the most efficient system.

Perhaps the illegals are being hidden in certain communities, and ICE know this from previous experience.

That certainly happens in Britain and has done for decades.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It would be surprising if most people in America don't carry some form of id. In Florida 6 years ago at Walmart/Walgreens an 80 year old trying to buy cigarettes was required to show valid id as proof of age and many of them won't accept a UK passport or drivers license.

I agree but, if I understand what is being suggested correctly, it will only be a specific ID that will be acceptable and that ID won’t be easy to obtain for certain categories of people, requiring them to produce papers they don’t have.

Alongside that is the suggestion that staffing levels in certain Districts will be reduced and lengthy examinations of each ID from some locations insisted upon. This resulting in long lines and the expectation that some won’t bother, or give up.

It’s political interference. A bit like trying to find a few more votes.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I agree but, if I understand what is being suggested correctly, it will only be a specific ID that will be acceptable and that ID won’t be easy to obtain for certain categories of people, requiring them to produce papers they don’t have.

Alongside that is the suggestion that staffing levels in certain Districts will be reduced and lengthy examinations of each ID from some locations insisted upon. This resulting in long lines and the expectation that some won’t bother, or give up.

It’s political interference. A bit like trying to find a few more votes.

At the moment it's a pretty haphazard approach.

Voter ID requirements | USAGov

Each state sets its own voter ID rules. Most require you to bring identification to vote in person. Know your state’s voter ID laws before going to the polls.

www.usa.gov

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Says who?

I would imagine that they are employing the most efficient system.

Perhaps the illegals are being hidden in certain communities, and ICE know this from previous experience.

That certainly happens in Britain and has done for decades.

It may well be that communities hide illegals, both in the USA and here.

That though doesn’t give the police the right to ignore due process, or in the USA probable cause. The law must abide by the law, or the country becomes a police state. Break it and you hand any offender the perfect defence. Their lawyer simply claims habeas corpus.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

At the moment it's a pretty haphazard approach.

Voter ID requirements | USAGov

Each state sets its own voter ID rules. Most require you to bring identification to vote in person. Know your state’s voter ID laws before going to the polls.

www.usa.gov

The US constitution clearly places the responsibility for the way elections are organised and overseen on individual States and not on the Federal administration.

You can argue that needs to change but that requires an amendment to the constitution. As that requires both super majorities in the House and Senate and ratification by 2/3rds of the State legislatures any such amendment will need to be scrupulously fair and reasonable to stand any chance of passing.

I fear that though won’t stop Trump trying something this year.

 

[eaglesdare]

I guess the only way to stop Trump and Vance rigging the next election is to have voter ID 😏

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

It may well be that communities hide illegals, both in the USA and here.

That though doesn’t give the police the right to ignore due process, or in the USA probable cause. The law must abide by the law, or the country becomes a police state. Break it and you hand any offender the perfect defence. Their lawyer simply claims habeas corpus.

Those harbouring illegals are subject to the law.
You are talking about things about which you have no expertise or experience. I doubt ICE agents need your advise on how to find and apprehend illegals. If due process was ignored, this would soon be exposed in court. You needn’t worry.