Glasner Out

[Willo]

I think it's correct that Glasner doesn't encourage shooting from long range as the stats indicate that they rarely come off and Glasner is all about efficiency.
Personally I miss players shooting from range and there don't seem too many around now - Fernandes at Manchester United, Caceido at Chelsea and perhaps a couple of Liverpool players being the exceptions.
In any event I think Hughes and Wharton appear to have poor technique when shooting, often looking unbalanced and failing to drive through the ball.

Mark Warburton never used to like his players shooting from 30 yards, the maximum he allowed was circa 22 yards.

 

[NEILLO]

Of course Parish should have sacked him then, from that date you know he isn't committed to the clubs long term future just the next six months, you cannot put any faith in him then, and it has certainly showed in the performances, and he has the nerve to criticize the club selling players, he has no say, keep you mouth shut, you have made your position known, its almost laughable if it wasn't so inept

I don't of course agree.

Six months after that bad run we won the FA Cup.

This time last year we were putting together a run of successive away wins.

And after the same number of games, we had 30 points compared to the current 29.

 

[Nicholas91]

On that basis you would have sacked Glasner in October '24. And there were people on HOL then advocating just that. Prior to beating Spurs on 27/10/24, Palace had taken just 3 points from the first 8 games. And went into that fixture on the back of 3 consecutive defeats.

That was the time when we had players injured, out of form after returning from Euros / Copa America having not had a proper pre season. Oh, and selling a centre back and captain on the last day of the transfer window ( sound familiar ? ).

You know very well that the strength and quality in the squad this season never looked like being enough to cope with the additional workload of European competition.

Glasner is rightfully getting criticism in light of his outbursts against the Board and the peculiar timing of his decision to leave and releasing that into the public domain. I don't think he's actually wrong in a lot of what he's been saying but that's not excusing his conduct. And it's a results business - they have been far from good since early December. But IF you stripped out the knowledge that he handed his notice in 3 months ago, IF he hadn't made those statements, would you still want him sacked given the parallels between that October and now ?

Most likely.

I think the more accurate comment for me to make is that 'I don't see this ending, barring everybody being fit and available once again for a sustained period, which is far from guaranteed'. Most of the defence of Glasner seems to be reliant on all the extenuating circumstances suddenly resolving.

I do believe that the conditions are out of Glasner's control and they are very far from favourable, this is not his fault. They are however the reality and it is his responsibility to deliever in spite of these circumstances..

His run in Oct. '24 was excusable for me as he was new to the role, things changed, and Glasner delivered as he is very aptly capable of doing. If they had not, he would have been history.

My argument lies in the fact that I believe the reality of the PL and football is that the circumstances aren't always going to be favourable. I seem to recall much defence of Roy was based upon the fact he was operating in conditions far less favourable than those Glasner found himself in.

Therefore, we either stick with Glasner hoping all the extenuating circumstances change so he can do his thing, or a line is drawn to say that this is not going to happen and we need a more pragmatic and adaptable manager to steer us through choppy waters.

The longer this goes on, and the longer things outside of Glasner's control do not change, the more likely I see his departure being a necessary event and not a subjective decision. I guess it's just a case of 'where is the line'. Perhaps my appetite for risk, and dismay at watching an ineffective Palace, is dictating my stance.

I don't believe we as fans or even as a club have any right to be demanding trophies and/or European qualification via finishing position, that's not my beef. I just want to watch a competitive Palace, not one which goes double figures of games, weeks upon weeks, without a win, playing exactly the same way despite the circumstances. It's a miserable, groundhog existence as a fan where the joy of football completely dissipates.

 

[NMPalace]

Mark Warburton never used to like his players shooting from 30 yards, the maximum he allowed was circa 22 yards.

??? Let's pick a random manager who has nothing to do with Palace.

The point raised, and a good one, is that Hughes and Wharton's technique is lacking. Surely they can practice their shooting and improve it.

 

[Canterbury Palace]

I'm just absolutely sick of him now. His behaviour and managerial performance does not justify this level of moaning.

Even a couple of weeks ago I was hoping he'd have a change of heart and sign a new deal, regardless of terrible form, but I think it's untenable now and don't think he'll last the season.

He has shown his managerial limitations by playing the same XI week after week and then complaining the squad is too shallow when injuries followed. Then, when Munoz got injured and the system clearly wasn't functional, he refused to adapt and change it.

Announcing his departure was clearly an emotional move and has destabilised the entire team. Yet despite his long term future not being here, he continues to whinge about transfer strategy.

Not enough signings? "We feel abandoned." Make some signings? "Too much has changed and we have to start again." f*** off. Brennan Johnson has been here for a month now and there's still no signs of him fitting into our system.

The best way that him and Mateta could have secured the moves that they feel they are entitled to would be to do their jobs properly but I feel like both have checked out and I suspect he's ruined his chances of a huge move.

It's a real shame. I'm not going to go overboard and say their legacies have been tarnished, because last season was the best in our history, but it's very unfortunate that they have decided to act like this.

Steve Parish is by no means blameless but at least we know he's committed, even if he does make mistakes. If there was a viable alternative for the rest of the season (not Paddy), I'd say goodbye to Oli today.

 

[park the bus]

??? Let's pick a random manager who has nothing to do with Palace.

The point raised, and a good one, is that Hughes and Wharton's technique is lacking. Surely they can practice their shooting and improve it.

I, like many others no doubt, would run about kicking a ball when young. I used to read football mags and a Bobby Charlton piece where he mentioned kicking a ball up against a wall with either foot to improve control particularly impressed me. Bobby Charlton of course could welly that old fashioned medicine ball and was well known for shooting from distance. Later I played in a completely amateur Sunday side; we played for the fun of it and I played on the left side of midfield, even though I'm right footed I could kick the ball with both feet in the general direction I wanted it to go. I could also shoot with both feet and as a midfielder I wanted to score when the opportunity arose. I am curious to know how it is that these professionals who are paid tens of thousands a week cannot even shoot the ball on target, or whose body posture is all wrong when taking a shot. It's baffling.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

I think sacking Glasner, ahead of an agreed schedule, would create more problems that it solves.
Just my own thoughts.
None of the fans are happy with the way the league looks at the moment, coupled with lack of goals, or even attempts on goals 😀
The end to this season won't be pretty, but I think there's (potentially) more Palace can salvage with Glasner still in charge, than with changing to someone new.

 

[ASCPFC]

I think sacking Glasner, ahead of an agreed schedule, would create more problems that it solves.
Just my own thoughts.
None of the fans are happy with the way the league looks at the moment, coupled with lack of goals, or even attempts on goals 😀
The end to this season won't be pretty, but I think there's (potentially) more Palace can salvage with Glasner still in charge, than with changing to someone new.

I don't. New manager bounce would be good for us.

 

[NEILLO]

Most likely.

I think the more accurate comment for me to make is that 'I don't see this ending, barring everybody being fit and available once again for a sustained period, which is far from guaranteed'. Most of the defence of Glasner seems to be reliant on all the extenuating circumstances suddenly resolving.

I do believe that the conditions are out of Glasner's control and they are very far from favourable, this is not his fault. They are however the reality and it is his responsibility to deliever in spite of these circumstances..

His run in Oct. '24 was excusable for me as he was new to the role, things changed, and Glasner delivered as he is very aptly capable of doing. If they had not, he would have been history.

My argument lies in the fact that I believe the reality of the PL and football is that the circumstances aren't always going to be favourable. I seem to recall much defence of Roy was based upon the fact he was operating in conditions far less favourable than those Glasner found himself in.

Therefore, we either stick with Glasner hoping all the extenuating circumstances change so he can do his thing, or a line is drawn to say that this is not going to happen and we need a more pragmatic and adaptable manager to steer us through choppy waters.

The longer this goes on, and the longer things outside of Glasner's control do not change, the more likely I see his departure being a necessary event and not a subjective decision. I guess it's just a case of 'where is the line'. Perhaps my appetite for risk, and dismay at watching an ineffective Palace, is dictating my stance.

I don't believe we as fans or even as a club have any right to be demanding trophies and/or European qualification via finishing position, that's not my beef. I just want to watch a competitive Palace, not one which goes double figures of games, weeks upon weeks, without a win, playing exactly the same way despite the circumstances. It's a miserable, groundhog existence as a fan where the joy of football completely dissipates.

Does '' most likely '' mean that you would have sacked him in October '24 because you go on to say that the run then was excusable ? And he wasn't exactly new, he'd been with the club for 8 months by then.
Sacking him at that time would most likely have meant no FA Cup, no Community Shield and no European Football.

Most managers experience bad runs during their career. Even Fergie was saved by beating Palace in the 1990 Cup Final. So for the club owners it becomes a question of how much faith you have in the person in question.

Glasner won the FA Cup when the team were flying - optimal conditions, players fit, available and the system working. That's typically the conditions under which clubs are successful.

Of course circumstances aren't always going to be favourable. You mention Roy, he had to contend with the prolonged absences of Doucoure, Olise and Eze before he stepped down. And we were sinking like a stone at that point. I think we got lucky that Glasner agreed to come onboard at that point as he was meant to be waiting until that summer.

I'm in total agreement when it comes to Glasners outbursts. Awful behaviour. But is he solely responsible for this implosion ? I don't think so.

By not sacking him last October and by sticking with him despite recent results, it appears that Parish thinks that the right thing to do was to retain Glasner. By the '' right thing '' I mean the best thing for the club. I'm pretty sure a big factor was the difficulty in finding a replacement in mid season. At the moment a lot of people are questioning whether Steve made the wrong call.

Now circumstances are about to change again. Players coming back. Money spent in this window. An opportunity to turn things around. We are 1 point worse off than a year ago. And still in the CL. And with a kinder looking fixture list ahead in the next few weeks. I'm sure Steve Parish would have all that in his thinking.

 

[NEILLO]

??? Let's pick a random manager who has nothing to do with Palace.

The point raised, and a good one, is that Hughes and Wharton's technique is lacking. Surely they can practice their shooting and improve it.

If you've ever watched any footage of our players in training, you will see that they do indeed work on all aspects of their game.

I was watching Mateta in training recently. Every ball, from multiple angles, with both feet, beating the 'keeper and finding the net. Great technique.

Very different of course in match situations. Confidence and composure are required and I think that's where they fall down straight away.

 

[palace_in_frogland]

Possibly but gravity is often all that keeps his shots in the stadium.

I found that match ball in my garden this morning; and I live in France.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I found that match ball in my garden this morning; and I live in France.

Watch out. Mary Knickers will be sending some hit men round to reclaim it and they might leave with more than one ball.

 

[Nicholas91]

Does '' most likely '' mean that you would have sacked him in October '24 because you go on to say that the run then was excusable ? And he wasn't exactly new, he'd been with the club for 8 months by then.
Sacking him at that time would most likely have meant no FA Cup, no Community Shield and no European Football.

Most managers experience bad runs during their career. Even Fergie was saved by beating Palace in the 1990 Cup Final. So for the club owners it becomes a question of how much faith you have in the person in question.

Glasner won the FA Cup when the team were flying - optimal conditions, players fit, available and the system working. That's typically the conditions under which clubs are successful.

Of course circumstances aren't always going to be favourable. You mention Roy, he had to contend with the prolonged absences of Doucoure, Olise and Eze before he stepped down. And we were sinking like a stone at that point. I think we got lucky that Glasner agreed to come onboard at that point as he was meant to be waiting until that summer.

I'm in total agreement when it comes to Glasners outbursts. Awful behaviour. But is he solely responsible for this implosion ? I don't think so.

By not sacking him last October and by sticking with him despite recent results, it appears that Parish thinks that the right thing to do was to retain Glasner. By the '' right thing '' I mean the best thing for the club. I'm pretty sure a big factor was the difficulty in finding a replacement in mid season. At the moment a lot of people are questioning whether Steve made the wrong call.

Now circumstances are about to change again. Players coming back. Money spent in this window. An opportunity to turn things around. We are 1 point worse off than a year ago. And still in the CL. And with a kinder looking fixture list ahead in the next few weeks. I'm sure Steve Parish would have all that in his thinking.

I'm not sure who you are agreeing with regarding Glasner's 'outbursts', I've not commented on them. For what it's worth, I certainly think Glasner has a point however that stands alone from his ability to deal with adverse circumstances, where he has shown a complete inability. It's his performance as a Manager I am concentrated on, not the external events surrounding it.

The notion that things will improve and Glasner will start delivering again for us is not one I am opposed to, I actually agree in that this is what I expect to happen, however that is contingent upon these 'things' improving, something I am not convinced will happen in a perfect manner. Our squad is weaker than it was previously with no Olsie, Eze or Guehi, plus it has looked extremely thin with European competition. These are all things which I do not blame Glasner for.

My stance regarding his emploment comes solely from the evidence of Glasner's performance when the chips are down. It's awful. His recent outbursts seem indicative to me that he is also aware of this. It was basically him saying "I can't work in these conditions". If he cannot work within those conditions, which we are often likely to find ourselves in, then we need a manager who can.

Again, I'm not sure how this is being missed, I think a line has to be drawn where we continue to lose whilst waiting for all considerations to improve in the hope that a better day is coming, or we get a manager come in who can cope and adapt to the unerctainty.

12 competitive games without a win and counting...

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I think it's correct that Glasner doesn't encourage shooting from long range as the stats indicate that they rarely come off and Glasner is all about efficiency.
Personally I miss players shooting from range and there don't seem too many around now - Fernandes at Manchester United, Caceido at Chelsea and perhaps a couple of Liverpool players being the exceptions.
In any event I think Hughes and Wharton appear to have poor technique when shooting, often looking unbalanced and failing to drive through the ball.

It's a tactic that's served Villa well recently. We should get Darren Ambrose in for some coaching sessions.

 

[Canterbury Palace]

I think sacking Glasner, ahead of an agreed schedule, would create more problems that it solves.
Just my own thoughts.
None of the fans are happy with the way the league looks at the moment, coupled with lack of goals, or even attempts on goals 😀
The end to this season won't be pretty, but I think there's (potentially) more Palace can salvage with Glasner still in charge, than with changing to someone new.

It's only a problem because if we sack him we'll end up with Paddy. If there was a credible stopgap until the summer, like how United have brought Carrick in, who could just reorganise the team and try something new, I'd take that option.

Form for this working out historically as well, Di Matteo came in and won Chelsea the CL.

As things stand we'll train these players to a system that we might not continue with, will limp to safety in the league and probably get knocked out of Europe.

 

[JHB]

It's only a problem because if we sack him we'll end up with Paddy. If there was a credible stopgap until the summer, like how United have brought Carrick in, who could just reorganise the team and try something new, I'd take that option.

Form for this working out historically as well, Di Matteo came in and won Chelsea the CL.

As things stand we'll train these players to a system that we might not continue with, will limp to safety in the league and probably get knocked out of Europe.

Personally I think it’s reached the point where it’s hard to see how anyone else could do worse. Our run of form is historically bad. We aren’t talking about 8 or 9 points since it started. We are talking about 3. If another manager won a single game they would be in better shape. It’s not just the results either. We simply cannot score from open play and we are getting worse.

You can see the culture is broken as well. Players look demoralised, demotivated and confused. They are not being allowed to play football. They look like all the joy and energy has been sucked out of them. Not a surprise when Glasner is criticising them openly, refusing to take accountability and not doing anything to change things. Just repeating the same tired tactics over and over in an ever more micro managed way.

We need a change and we need it quick. I think the board will take stock after Brighton. Lose badly there and I think the will act as they then have a couple of weeks to get an interim in and applying any change in methods and tactics.

 

[silvertop]

I, like many others no doubt, would run about kicking a ball when young. I used to read football mags and a Bobby Charlton piece where he mentioned kicking a ball up against a wall with either foot to improve control particularly impressed me. Bobby Charlton of course could welly that old fashioned medicine ball and was well known for shooting from distance. Later I played in a completely amateur Sunday side; we played for the fun of it and I played on the left side of midfield, even though I'm right footed I could kick the ball with both feet in the general direction I wanted it to go. I could also shoot with both feet and as a midfielder I wanted to score when the opportunity arose. I am curious to know how it is that these professionals who are paid tens of thousands a week cannot even shoot the ball on target, or whose body posture is all wrong when taking a shot. It's baffling.

Agreed, although I suspect it is not so easy with millions watching and the best defenders in the world trying to stop you.

 

[silvertop]

It's only a problem because if we sack him we'll end up with Paddy. If there was a credible stopgap until the summer, like how United have brought Carrick in, who could just reorganise the team and try something new, I'd take that option.

Form for this working out historically as well, Di Matteo came in and won Chelsea the CL.

As things stand we'll train these players to a system that we might not continue with, will limp to safety in the league and probably get knocked out of Europe.

Sadly that is how I see it. Prem survival being the silver lining. This year.

One problem is that, until recently, if you came up you had a 50% or so chance of surviving another season. Last season the trend appears to have shifted to what pundits have erroneously suggested for years but which is now a reality: what comes up must come down.

However, this year we have Wolves; and Sunderland. It is last year that was the blip. "Established" prem teams are still not guaranteed survival. We cannot be complacent.

 

[NEILLO]

I'm not sure who you are agreeing with regarding Glasner's 'outbursts', I've not commented on them. For what it's worth, I certainly think Glasner has a point however that stands alone from his ability to deal with adverse circumstances, where he has shown a complete inability. It's his performance as a Manager I am concentrated on, not the external events surrounding it.

The notion that things will improve and Glasner will start delivering again for us is not one I am opposed to, I actually agree in that this is what I expect to happen, however that is contingent upon these 'things' improving, something I am not convinced will happen in a perfect manner. Our squad is weaker than it was previously with no Olsie, Eze or Guehi, plus it has looked extremely thin with European competition. These are all things which I do not blame Glasner for.

My stance regarding his emploment comes solely from the evidence of Glasner's performance when the chips are down. It's awful. His recent outbursts seem indicative to me that he is also aware of this. It was basically him saying "I can't work in these conditions". If he cannot work within those conditions, which we are often likely to find ourselves in, then we need a manager who can.

Again, I'm not sure how this is being missed, I think a line has to be drawn where we continue to lose whilst waiting for all considerations to improve in the hope that a better day is coming, or we get a manager come in who can cope and adapt to the unerctainty.

12 competitive games without a win and counting...

I was agreeing with the overall sentiment on HOL on his outbursts.

You didn't answer my question ( not compulsory to of course ) -
''Does '' most likely '' mean that you would have sacked him in October '24 because you go on to say that the run then was excusable ? And he wasn't exactly new, he'd been with the club for 8 months by then.
Sacking him at that time would most likely have meant no FA Cup, no Community Shield and no European Football.''
After the August 24 window Glasner made his feelings known around that time what he thought of the decision to sell Andersen on the last day. As an aside, I was told by my Fulham contact that transfer was on the cards before the season even started.
The chips were certainly down in October 24 with 3 points from 8 games. And if I recall we were in the bottom 3 at one point. So why not sack Glasner then ? Was it because there was an expectation that things could and would improve ?? Which they did.

There will be a breaking point I'm sure. I posted such the other day. Failure to get some wins and/or fail to progress in the CL and it's possible Parish will conclude that this time things aren't going to get better.

 

[ASCPFC]

Ha, ha Glasner - we could spend when we like.